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What's happened to Free School Meals provision?

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Carpathian2 · 08/01/2021 14:57

I've just had this from my child's school

What's happened to Free School Meals provision?
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Belladonna12 · 12/01/2021 19:52

Schools are NOT closed!

I think a lot of secondary schools are pretty much closed. DD's teachers are all at home.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 12/01/2021 20:03

I think a lot of secondary schools are pretty much closed. DD's teachers are all at home

They very much aren't closed. We have KW students in so staff supervision on a rota. The site staff are in. Support staff are in to help with testing. Pastoral staff are in to do their stuff.

trixiebelden77 · 12/01/2021 20:06

Bizarre how people will tie themselves into knots to explain why this is fine.

I’ve known extreme financial hardship BUT ALSO always fed my children well BUT ALSO commonly give them two slices of bread and a tomato and consider I’ve done a good job providing them an adequately nutritious lunch to fuel their day at school BUT ALSO this is what I cooked today and although I haven’t actually worked out how much it cost because I don’t actually have to budget that carefully it would probably be fewer than three pounds BUT ALSO why is there no drive/work ethic to improve one’s financial situation even though I’ve just waxed lyrical about my years of hardship which presumably also could have been resolved if I had a better work ethic.

Also an amazing number of people who can’t afford more than a tomato sandwich for their children to eat but simultaneously believe they’re earning enough to be net contributors to the tax system, propping up everybody else.

Cognition just drops when it comes to contemplating the worst-off in society, doesn’t it.

UndertheCedartree · 12/01/2021 20:07

@Katarina262 - no, I've already paid through my taxes. And if you were unfortunate to become unwell or lose your job and need benefits I'd be happy to pay for your DC to eat. Lots of DC have sandwiches for lunch but most commenting this on this thread would be making a main meal in the evening. Lots of families on a low income are used to their DC having a main meal at lunchtime and are on a tight budget meaning finding the extra money for main meals in the evenings can be difficult.

UndertheCedartree · 12/01/2021 20:15

@ReallySpicyCurry - none of that has happened at my DD's primary school - they had the same healthy hot main meals they have always had and no ordering in advance. And I know what they are like as parents go in to eat at times. The meals were plenty for me too. The thing I'd like to know is how can some schools achieve this and others can't. Why do some DC get a proper main meal with vegetables and salad, a dessert, fruit and a glass of milk. And others get tiny portions, just sandwiches or unhealthy food?

Belladonna12 · 12/01/2021 20:21

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

I think a lot of secondary schools are pretty much closed. DD's teachers are all at home

They very much aren't closed. We have KW students in so staff supervision on a rota. The site staff are in. Support staff are in to help with testing. Pastoral staff are in to do their stuff.

Just because there are a lot of key worker students in your school it doesn't mean they are in all schools. It's possible there are some year seven students but I think most will be at home. I doubt the older years are at school. Certainly all DD's teachers have been at home so far so it doesn't appear they are going in on the staff rota.
UndertheCedartree · 12/01/2021 20:36

@Chel098 - we aren't referring to the school holidays - that is a seperate issue. That's where food banks often step in. But yes, some are reliant on their DC having their main meal at school during term time. When your budget is so tight it isn't easy to suddenly find the extra when you have been used to budgeting less for food.

ElizaLaLa · 12/01/2021 21:02

@Belladonna12

Because lots of people are complaining the parcel is too small/no choice/kid doesn’t like beans/bananas were too brown/have to leave the house to pick it up/government has some sort of conspiracy theory to deprive children of the full amount of food they’re ‘entitled’ to/Parents saying they’d rather let kids go hungry or go hungry themselves than suffer the indignity of collecting their parcel. These are the sort of comments that give parents on benefits a bad name. And that’s very sad, as with the current pandemic more and more people are losing their incomes and having to rely on FSM and benefits for the first time.

As I said, most of the comments are coming from people who don't claim FSM. I don't think it's ideal at all and I have never claimed FSMs.

The food isn’t meant to replace the child’s main meal of the day, it’s to ensure the child has lunch 5 days a week. Even hot FSM at school are tiny in portion size and often there is no choice, or a choice between say a jacket potato or pasta with cheese.

FSM when they were introduced were meant to be as the child's main meal for the day. That was the whole point of free school meals- to make sure the child doesn't have to go a whole day with very little food. It wasn't so that they could have a snack in the middle of the day with the expectation that they would be getting a huge meal in the evening .I don't think this policy has changed as the reality some children still aren't getting much to eat in the evening..

You may not be getting the equivalent of what you feel entitled to cash wise, but schools and catering companies have to pay their staff, someone to make up the boxes, someone to sit there all day handing out the boxes. On occasion staff may need payment to deliver a box eg if a family is shielding or parent is disabled and nobody else can collect it.

There you are again assuming that because I don't think the situation is ideal I must be on benefits myself. I'm not blaming the schools themselves if that is all they can offer but that doesn't mean that this is what should be happening in this day and age. They should be able to give vouchers for people that want them.

Shopping online has a delivery charge too. I don’t understand why people think they should get the cost of travelling to collect free food refunded, be it a voucher for a supermarket or a food parcel from school.

Yes but when you shop online you can buy a weeks worth of food so it is cost-effective. The same applies to getting a bus to the shops. Paying 20 pounds a week for a bus fare (to get lunch each day) is not quite so cost-effective.

If people can't afford bus fare to collect their free food from the school, how do they get their kids to school normally then 🤔
TheFormerPorpentiaScamander · 12/01/2021 21:24

If people can't afford bus fare to collect their free food from the school, how do they get their kids to school normally then

Is it can't afford it, or it isn't worth it? It would cost me £4 to get to school to pick up £5 worth of food. It makes more sense to spend that £4 on food in the first place (and by not buying branded i would get more for my money)
And before you ask no I don't have to "pay to get to the supermarket anyway" because I have a delivery pass so get free online deliveries.
Oh and dc take themselves to school, no costs involved. They cycle. And no they can't go and pick their own food parcels up because they are expected to be doing a whole full day and their 15min lunch break isn't long enough to get to school and back.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 12/01/2021 21:29

Certainly all DD's teachers have been at home so far so it doesn't appear they are going in on the staff rota.

It's entirely possible that they are and you don't know because of dds timetable! I'm in one day a week on the rota, only the 3 classes I have that day would know. All the other classes I teach that week think I'm at home.

There are very few (if any) secondary school buildings actually closed.

AldiAisleofCrap · 12/01/2021 22:01

@Chel098 think that’s what some are forgetting you will have to feed your own child/children in the main school holidays once all settles. From some of the responses they make it sound as though they have never done it before. they well have not done it before. Locally there are multiple free lunch clubs open in every single school holiday that can’t open from Covid reasons.

Watermelon999 · 12/01/2021 22:06

Listening to the radio earlier, and this seems to be the latest political bandwagon to jump on in a bid to further discredit the government.

Most of the presenters/interviewees completely missed the point that it was 5 lunches for 1 child, as a temporary measure.

They kept going on that it was inadequate to feed a family for a week. And all of the nutritional experts were agreeing.

While I agree, some of the photos on Twitter are pretty dire (but we don’t know if they are actual examples or put there to stir things more), I think the general idea is a good one, and I think the Op’s Box was adequate to feed a child with a few different opinions.

FortunesFave · 12/01/2021 22:45

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/free-school-meals-vouchers-parcels-19610840

Watermelon They are fucking examples. I've spoken to many friends on Facebook. These packages of shite are embarrassing!

UndertheCedartree · 12/01/2021 22:47

@ElizaLaLa - the secondary DC would travel themselves. But the point people are making is it doesn't make sense for someone to spend say £4 every day to collect a lunch. They may as well save the £4 and use that for lunch. The fact they are not collecting the lunch says nothing about whether they need FSM or how grateful they are.

CherryGlaze · 12/01/2021 23:06

watermelon99 ^Listening to the radio earlier, and this seems to be the latest political bandwagon to jump on in a bid to further discredit the government.

Most of the presenters/interviewees completely missed the point that it was 5 lunches for 1 child, as a temporary measure.^

Agree, this was puzzling me earlier too, it was jacket potatoes, beans, cheese etc - for one child. But so many bandwagon jumpers banging on about evil tories...clearly some caterers were taking the absolute piss and offloading the supplies they already had - packaging up powdered soup in coin bags, and that should stop.

But the Mail put a picture captioned 'some sorry looking vegetables that were part of a package' and it was perfectly fresh looking, bright green broccoli, and parsnips, potatoes and carrots!! What's sorry about that!

(The Mail minus Dacre are constantly critical of Johnson and the rest of the govt, so I thought I might possibly be allowed to mention it without getting slated? Wink)

screamingchild · 12/01/2021 23:39

@MonktonMonkey

I would be unhappy if we were told we'd be receiving the items on the list you just shared as my son doesn't like cheese, baked beans, yogurts or eggs.
Obviously you understand that the school won't cater for individual likes and dislikes...!!
Hurtandupset2 · 13/01/2021 00:08

@parkpoolplunge, that's not the only box they offer. They've got several here and all work out much cheaper than hello fresh.

www.morrisons.com/food-boxes/boxes/food-boxes/everyday/essentials

Hurtandupset2 · 13/01/2021 00:24

They do have a vegetarian option:

www.morrisons.com/food-boxes/box/vegetarian-food-box

All prices include next day delivery too.

Akire · 13/01/2021 00:50

This thread is so depressing. Benefits are set at low levels that include a child getting a hot meal in school time. It isn’t an extra perk they don’t deserve and being greedy.

You couldn’t use vouchers for fags or booze. Just because someone might have asked and were refused doesn’t mean it was a bad system. I also find it hard believe people who did manage to buy a £30 voucher for a £10 went around bragging about it on social media. Knowing they were short changing hungry kids. If a parent couldn’t get to their local Asda or use online then maybe that was their only option or bin the whole thing. It doesn’t mean they were going “buy drugs”.

They would have been better off just providing tinned meals at least that would have been a hot filling meal with some nutritional value. Tinned curry, pasta meals, stews, soup, meatballs etc

FortunesFave · 13/01/2021 01:03

Akire I agree about the tins. Problem is, many don't have electricity on some days. That means kids eating cold stew out of a tin or whatever.

People are bloody awful...saying "they should be grateful!"

I can't imagine parents of say older boys and girls...big strapping teens of 14 and 15 managing to feed their children on those terrible concoctions. Two baked potatoes and a few slices of cheese? An embarrassingly decanted baggie of pasta?

What a joke.

ElizaLaLa · 13/01/2021 07:50

All that should be offered is:

Loaf of bread
Cheese
5 pieces of fruit
5 yoghurts

Plus lactose, dairy, gluten, whatever option to be arranged individually.

Plenty of adults have a meal deal for lunch; sandwich, crisps, drink. The above solves the no electricity complaint and is a perfectly adequate lunch. Saves all this bitching about what isn't good enough for free, too.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/01/2021 07:54

Plenty of adults have a meal deal for lunch; sandwich, crisps, drink

And they can have (if they want) a hearty breakfast and dinner. Your post ignores the fact that a large proportion of FSM children don't have that bonus. The school meal is the one balanced, filling, warm (usually) meal a day.

52andblue · 13/01/2021 09:39

If people can't afford bus fare to collect their free food from the school, how do they get their kids to school normally then

My children have an LEA bus pass which is free as it is their nearest catchment school. It is 19 miles away.
The bus fare would cost ME £7.80 one way and £10.50 return.

some seem to think that (often strapping teenage) children's parents should be grateful to go and collect half a carrot and a baggie of pasta and some (hard?) cheese. If you cannot see that, as a society, we should be ashamed that we have hungry children in a relatively rich country, and that furthermore we turn on each other about it then I have no more words. What this pandemic is doing is exacerbating the problems that were already there for the poor the disabled the BAME community and the disenfranchised.

UndertheCedartree · 13/01/2021 09:42

@Hurtandupset2 - I got one of the vegetarian boxes in lockdown 1 - it was really good.

Belladonna12 · 13/01/2021 09:49

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

Certainly all DD's teachers have been at home so far so it doesn't appear they are going in on the staff rota.

It's entirely possible that they are and you don't know because of dds timetable! I'm in one day a week on the rota, only the 3 classes I have that day would know. All the other classes I teach that week think I'm at home.

There are very few (if any) secondary school buildings actually closed.

I said "pretty much" closed by which I mean there may be a small handful of year seven pupils there and perhaps one or two adults supervising but it's hardly business as usual. The school did completely shut in the last lockdown so it's possible that it will or is completely shut now.
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