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to give our baby my last name?

86 replies

lolatte · 08/01/2021 14:13

DP and I were due to get married last year, but our wedding was twice postponed due to COVID.

We talked about marriage for a while time prior to this, and one of the key points in our discussions was the timeline of whether we would have children first or get married first - he would have happily had kids first, (he already has a 13 yo daughter from previous relationship,) where I said I didn't really want to have a different last name from my kid/s, which is one of the reasons I was keen we were married first.

Anyway, we did decide to get married first, but with all the Covid wedding postponements, and with time getting on a bit, we realised that we couldn't really delay our family planning any longer, given the unknowns. And now, happily, I am 13 weeks pregnant.

However, we told our families our news last week, and his family keep referring to Baby as Baby HisLastName.

He has a sister, who isn't married. She has two children who were both given dad's last names (two different dads, so siblings have different last names from both their mum and each other). He also has multiple cousins with kids in the same circumstances - long term relationships and living together but unmarried, kids all have dad's last name. It is very very much the established principle.

He also has a daughter from previous (non married) relationship, who has his last name - even despite them not being in a relationship by the time of his DD's birth. It seems very much all taken as a given, and when I politely suggested baby's last name wasn't a done deal yet, his family seemed absolutely horrified with me.

My family are all very nuclear - no babies out of wedlock, so not much precedent for baby and mum (or dad to be fair!) having different names.

I know that he would of course like our baby to have his name... as I would like our baby to have mine. We have talked about it, and he is trying to be understanding and not insistent, as am I. I get that most kids have their dad's name, it's not his fault we're not married yet, and it would be nice if both his kids shared a surname. It's just hard as there isn't really a compromise here!

He suggested giving baby my name for now, and potentially changing both our names to his when we (eventually!) do get married in the next couple of years. I think this would be fine within the first few years, but it's harder for a child to change once they know their name, so would depend on timing I suppose.

My thinking was if we are a family of 4, he and his DD / my DSD already have his surname, me and our new baby could keep mine, and we continue even after marriage as the MyLastName-HisLastName household, with two of us with each name. (DSD lives with us most of the time.)

I don't want to change my name without being married, and he won't want to change his either. And we can't officially double barrel due to the ridiculousness of the names. (Think MacNamara-O'Flannigan.)

I obviously also don't want to offend his family, who I get on well with usually! And they already seem to have taken offence at this even being a question.

So - sorry for the long winded post! Essentially - am I being unreasonable to give our baby my last name, despite him having tried his hardest to marry me before conceiving?! 😂🙈

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PutOnAHappyFace · 08/01/2021 14:55

My DCs had my surname then when we got married I re-registered them so we all have the same name. This is only possible if your partner is the kids dad. To us it's nice to all have the same surname but I really didn't want a different name to my kids before then.

Oxters · 08/01/2021 14:55

Like a couple of other posters - I'm married, didn't change my name and DS has both mine and DH's surnames, double-barrelled. It's another option.

updownroundandround · 08/01/2021 14:58

@ lolatte

I'd opt for a very quiet and quick registry office wedding if it's so important to you and your DP. You don't even need to tell family if you'd like to keep it secret and then have a bigger family blessing when covid permits.

You said that he's ''tried his hardest'' to marry you this year, so let him Grin, the flash wedding can just either wait, or be changed to a big flash honeymoon instead Grin

lolatte · 08/01/2021 14:59

@StrippedFridge It's honestly not the party - we very nearly did go through with it last year without the party, at 2m distance, with masks etc. It's just there are people who would be upset not to see us officially married. (I don't mean friends and hangers on, I mean parents & grandparents with whom we are exceptionally close.)

I do agree though, in that I worry I'm being unreasonable by not wanting to get married without certain people able to be there, when he would gladly go ahead in the circumstances - and then wanting to give baby my last name as we are unmarried.

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wildraisins · 08/01/2021 15:01

Don't have kids currently but am TTC. Am also not changing my name when we get married (we are in a similar position having delayed wedding twice due to Covid!)

We have a straightforward agreement that a girl would get my name and a boy would get his name. It seemed the fairest way to do it as neither of us like double-barrelled.

AdoraBell · 08/01/2021 15:02

We are the same as avvii. In-laws have never accepted it but that is their problem.

In your case OP I suggest doing the same, or using DH’s name as a middle name.

And YY to the pp who commented that children have the mother’s name whether married and changed name, or not.

Catty1720 · 08/01/2021 15:04

@lolatte it’s up to you. It’s seen as traditional for baby to have dads name but that’s not to say it’s right or wrong. I’m unmarried and DD has partners name but we are planning on getting married so I’ll have same name then. To me it was important DD got dads surname but the only opinions that mattered on the subject were mine and my partners and the same applies to you. Would you listen to peoples opinion over first name?

DaphneBridgerton · 08/01/2021 15:05

I'd get married ASAP anyway, while he's willing and you have the time and money. I know that sounds awful, and I'm not saying he will change his mind!

But I do feel like I hear quite a few stories where women put off marriage until after children arrive and then their partner loses interest (in the idea of marriage, not in them). And they end up in a precarious situation financially etc etc.

Sorry if that's really depressing advice.

Otherwise I'd go for Baby YourSurname and change it to Baby HisSurname when you do get married

lolatte · 08/01/2021 15:05

@luxxlisbon It's a good point!!

I'd reluctantly take DP's name on marriage for the sake of having the same name as future DC, as this is quite important to me. In an ideal world for me though I wouldn't change my surname on marriage, and while I am looking forward to being his wife and him being my husband, changing my name wasn't something I ever looked forward to doing.

Now that I'm pregnant and unmarried, and thinking of the possibility of DC having my name - I wonder if I ever would change it. The answer is I wouldn't, if DC had / were going to keep my maiden surname.

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Notnt · 08/01/2021 15:13

Our first has my partner's name and baby due soon will as well, I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do it.
The way we looked at it, we might get married one day (although neither of us is really bothered if we do or don't), then I'd change my surname, so if the kids had my current surname, it'd be different to both their parents. But I'd be keen to change mine as it's my dad's, who was and is a horrible person for many reasons, and we've thankfully gone NC with him.

user1493413286 · 08/01/2021 15:16

Just to add an extra dimension have you thought about how your DC and your DSD will feel having different surnames? We had our DD before we got married and had similar conversations and one of the things that pushed me to give DD her dads surname was wanting both our DC and DSD to have the same surname and DSD to feel the same; my DSD had already made comments in the past about having a different surname to her siblings at her mums house and looking forward to being “the user family”. We were also aware of not wanting DSD to feel separate or different from the DC we have together.
I seriously thought about changing my name by deed poll or having a wedding just me and DH before our DD was born with a bigger one after but for various reasons didnt and we got married nearly a year after DD was born and i then took DHs name and for probably largely sentimental reasons I’m happy that I did and that were all the same surname.

Lorw · 08/01/2021 15:17

Give baby your last name ❤️

LockdownLove · 08/01/2021 15:21

I would double barrel it.

Very common on many counties and although I was married when had dc I regret not doing it.

So if Your Smith and he is Jones your baby could be

Baby Jones-Smith

Or vice versa

Deadringer · 08/01/2021 15:25

I think the idea of a maiden name is outdated and ridiculous. Your name is your name, it shouldn't be considered temporary because you are female. I also think that every child should be named after their mother, but that is just my two cents.

Starlightstarbright1 · 08/01/2021 15:27

Stop discussing names with family.. this is a discussion for your and DP...
When baby is born.. we are calling him /her ...........

That said yes give baby your name and them you can change it when you get married.

If its in the next coupe of years baby won't know any different.

Even your wedding through you feeli guilty for not giving others the wedding they want..

Do what you want.... in there I would add 13 year old should be invited to wedding,

awwkkwwaard · 08/01/2021 15:29

If you plan on taking his name when you are married change yours by deed poll now and then everyone will have the same name. This is what I did with mine. Mind you my DM always said 'children should take the mothers name as you can be certain who the mother is but not the father' - which is very true, well in the days before DNA testing anyway Grin

sandandso · 08/01/2021 15:29

@lolatte

He did also suggest quickie / elopement wedding 🙈

We talked about going ahead with our ceremony last year even pre-pregnancy, with just a couple of witnesses, to allow us to get married before conceiving.

He was up for it - though we both have really close families, and it was me who backed out. I just felt it was too selfish in our case to exclude people we'd consider immediate family - his grandmother and my grandfather for starters, our parents and siblings, nieces and nephews who were super excited to be there.

They will be happy for you that you have got married. Honestly, I mean this in the nicest way: your wedding day means more to you than to anyone else. If you were my sister, I'd hate to think that you were putting this on hold because of me. Nephew Timmy will easily get over it, and Granny will just be happy that he's "made an honest woman" out of you before baby is born. I'd hope that by the time you've got a booking, you'll be allowed more than the current 6 people (even if it's only 15!), so depending on family size, immediate family should be able to come. And you can have a belated reception once things are easier. The nieces and nephews will get just as excited about that.

Once you have a baby, the momentum towards marriage usually slows and you will find countless threads here of women who are still waiting 10 years and 3 children later, having forsaken their legal rights all that time.

pinkyredrose · 08/01/2021 15:30

I'd reluctantly take DP's name on marriage for the sake of having the same name as future DC

Huh? Just keep your name and give the baby your name!

Mommabear20 · 08/01/2021 15:37

I don't think it's a case of who is being unreasonable, both sides have merits. Personally I think kids should have dads name, as changing it later will be more difficult, and will come up when they're older regarding having ever been known by another name. Either way you will have to re-register baby once you are married.

SunshineCake · 08/01/2021 15:41

YANBU

I'm invoking if you can't say anything nice be quiet advice and will just say give baby your name. It's not that big a deal for a child to learn they now have a new name as mummy and daddy got married.

I have had four surnames including my husband's and I've survived. It was for much worse reasons than yours.

Not saying it is your partner's opinion but so many men are traditional enough to want baby to have his name but happy to have pre marital sex and live with the partner Hmm.

Nicknamegoeshere · 08/01/2021 15:42

I'm not married to OH. Our new daughter has both of our surnames. When we marry both husband and I will double-barrel so we are all the same Smile

lolatte · 08/01/2021 15:45

@awwkkwwaard

If you plan on taking his name when you are married change yours by deed poll now and then everyone will have the same name. This is what I did with mine. Mind you my DM always said 'children should take the mothers name as you can be certain who the mother is but not the father' - which is very true, well in the days before DNA testing anyway Grin
This made me laugh out loud! 😂
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OllyBJolly · 08/01/2021 15:46

Married, didn't change my name,DCs given my surname. Split and married again when DCs were teens. We still have same name.

With the number of divorces, changing your name because of "wanting to have the same name as the children" really isn't a good reason these days.

mrsplum101 · 08/01/2021 15:48

I'd give your baby your name. He could also take your name when you get married, although I guess if they can't imagine your baby having your name god knows what they'd think about him taking yours. That's what we're doing when we can eventually get married as DP has no love for his name and prefers mine. Its raising some eyebrows though Hmm

user7778 · 08/01/2021 15:50

@Thehop

Quick registry office wedding?
I really wish people would stop saying this on threads about covid delayed weddings. I'm probably over sensitive to it but we are on postponement 3 now and us not being married isn't for want of trying

An awful lot of postponements are because NO weddings can take place at all during lockdown (and now tier 4) not even a bride/groom/2 witnesses quickly registry office wedding, so it isn't all about people holding out for their big wedding....