‘but’

[SkedaddIe]

I was just told irl that I'm unreasonable for adding a 'but' in a conversation.

We were talking about the White House insurgents and the video of the shot. I said ‘but’ after “it's terrible that a woman died"

AIBU? Are some things ‘un-but-able’

People can often be quick to be concerned about MH issues when a white kid shoots a school or when a white man guns down a mosque but aren't so quick when a young muslim man acts as a suicide bomber.

Reminds me of the lyrics:
And if he's white you give him a chance, he's ill and confused
If he's black he's probably armed, you see him and shoot

@Yoshinori

It’s not really terrible that she died is it? How is it terrible ?

She was a white supremacist who decided to invade the Capitol and died as a result. Some argue that that is terrorism.

I doubt if a a BLM protester or a Muslim protester had done what she had done, you would be so quick to say how terrible it was she died.

Of course one shouldn’t be glad she died but it’s why do you feel so compelled to say it’s terrible she died so close to a discussion of the issue ?
“But”

As a POC, I would assume you sympathised with her tbh.

So it wasn't terrible all the BLM protesters who died because they were part of a terrorist event?

(Using violence and property damage to affect political change)

Or was it terrible the blm supporters died?

@WaterOffADucksCrack

People can often be quick to be concerned about MH issues when a white kid shoots a school or when a white man guns down a mosque but aren't so quick when a young muslim man acts as a suicide bomber.

Reminds me of the lyrics:
And if he's white you give him a chance, he's ill and confused
If he's black he's probably armed, you see him and shoot

But its been found police officers in America hesitate longer to shoot a back person, they shoot white people much faster and more often

@Sinful8
You’re clearly a bigoted person who wants to believe that black people in American aren’t more likely to be shot my police, that police brutality isn’t a thing and that the vast majority of BLM protests were violent when in fact 97% of them were completely peaceful so I won’t bother arguing with you.

Enjoy being ignorant.

Sinful8 ah another person (and I use that term loosely) who refuses to recognise police brutality against black people.

Even if you do believe she deserved it, for the arguments upthread about white supremacy, you shouldn't say "it's terrible that a woman died but she deserved it" (or words to that effect). It's hypocritical because you clearly think it's not that actually terrible and you're just paying lip service to the idea that it is.

Sinful8 do you have a source for that?

The OP has answered her own question with the drip feed.

"I support the BLM protests, but..." trailing off, implies you don't support them, or at least not all aspects of them like the vandalism (and therefore are a "bad" person).

"I support the BLM protests, but they didn't go far enough in smashing stuff up and pulling statues down" implies you support them wholeheartedly (and are therefore "good").

I'm amazed the death toll is so low. If I tried to force my way into parliament, I would not expect to get out alive.

@Yoshinori

People can often be quick to be concerned about MH issues when a white kid shoots a school or when a white man guns down a mosque but aren't so quick when a young muslim man acts as a suicide bomber.

I wonder why.

Exactly

People can often be quick to be concerned about MH issues when a white kid shoots a school or when a white man guns down a mosque but aren't so quick when a young muslim man acts as a suicide bomber.

I wonder why.

And still other people see death as a tragedy and not something you can be happy about regardless of the motives of the person that got shot

I suggest if anyone stops viewing death as preferably avoidable they need to have a word with themselves

Last night on the news, they showed the Capitol building during BLM protests. Lines and lines of guards onthe steps with riot shields.

Then, with plenty of notice that it was going to happen a huge crowd of white supremists march on the Capitol, a few policemen and security guards scrambling for cover.

Bugger me. No-one deserves to die but America is a screwed up country

@LouiseTrees

I think what you said was fine after you clarified with the drip feed.

Sorry for the drip, I wanted an honest answer without context.

I still do zoom meet ups and I couldn't be sure how 'outraged' my friends really were with wine/beer glasses in hand. And the poll doesn't help... it's exactly 50/50 at the moment.

@HypocrisyDoubleStandardsMess

Bingo! Yes, of course..."Mental health issues". Was wondering the first place this would be said. Doesn't get old at all.

It wasn't my view at first but I kind of agree with it after finding out more about the situation.

My first inclination was that it was a white privilege + 'non-threatening' woman trope that made her think she was untouchable.

But my friends thought she was straight up 'caping' and being egged on by a bunch of cowards.

So it was less about her being a 'fragile woman shield' and more her being an 'overzealous wannabe heroine' if that makes sense. And once I admitted I was wrong about one thing the pile on started...

@Chanjer

People can often be quick to be concerned about MH issues when a white kid shoots a school or when a white man guns down a mosque but aren't so quick when a young muslim man acts as a suicide bomber.

I wonder why.

And still other people see death as a tragedy and not something you can be happy about regardless of the motives of the person that got shot

I suggest if anyone stops viewing death as preferably avoidable they need to have a word with themselves

I agree and that's what made me feel a bit guilty. I was very vocal about police brutality toward the peaceful BLM protestors and worried I was being a bit of a hypocrite.

I really don't think BLM and the insurrection are comparable but maybe death is so important that it should transcend everything else.

@Serin

I'm amazed the death toll is so low. If I tried to force my way into parliament, I would not expect to get out alive.

That was my thinking.... I'm middle aged, bespectacled and respectable looking so I would hope that most people would not see me as a threat. But my goodness I would not push that trust by trying to push past a barricade, through a broken window, in parliament, with officers guns drawn on me and after repeated warnings.

That is too much.

I don’t even know what their goals and objectives were??? Protest for protest’s sake? They clearly didn’t think it through. Lots of funny memes on Reddit about it today and this little gem:-

What’s the difference between entering the gates or Mordor and Capitol Hill?

One does not simply walk into Mordor.

@BloggersBlog

Well I have heard people say that when you make an apology, as soon as you say "but" it negates the apology, so maybe it was in the same vein?

Were they thinking you were saying it was her fault or something?

Hard to think how it wasn't, don't you think?

[quote Yoshinori]@Sinful8
You’re clearly a bigoted person who wants to believe that black people in American aren’t more likely to be shot my police, that police brutality isn’t a thing and that the vast majority of BLM protests were violent when in fact 97% of them were completely peaceful so I won’t bother arguing with you.

Enjoy being ignorant.[/quote]
Um, except there is recent research that suggests that this is true - that today, in the US, police officers hesitate more over shooting a black suspect.

It's not useful to simply ignore stuff like this because it doesn't easily fit in with the way you think things are. Sometimes it's more complicated. It is a good thing to know that and try and figure out what is going on.

Another useful fact is that in the US, police shooting correlate more closely to income than they do to race. And lots of white, poor people are also shot.

I also would say that IME, people who think someone in this situation might have MH issues, tend to do so across the board for the same sort of incident.

We did have a lone, Muslim, young man force his way into our Parliament buildings in Canada, and many people thought that he had MH issues that led to his online radicalisation and subsequent actions. Most people seemed to think it was sad that he died, though he also scared many people.

I've found that in general, people think differently about terrorist actions planned by groups, or by mobs. Which is fair enough IMO, while many of the individuals may have various MH issues there is usually something more going on in those situations.