AIBU to think they should vaccinate teachers asap?

[Lalliella]

If they want schools to reopen as soon as possible, and childcare provided so people can work, wouldn’t it make sense to vaccinate teachers as a matter of priority?

Anything that makes sense won’t makes its way anyway near Boris’ idiotic mind.

I think you could prioritise keyworkers within the groups. So a 55 year old teacher gets it before a 55 year old non-keyworker. But no more than that.

Vaccinating teachers will not keep schools open . Children can't be vaccinated . Pupils can still spread it between them , more so with this new variant

Vaccinating FRONTLINE handson nhs staff and care workers (who have to touch and you know, deal with bodily fluids..) WILL save lives as will vaccinating over 70s and CEVs

It is 'mortality' and 'not overwhelming of NHS beds' versus 'economics, freedoms and education'

If we vaccinate those most likely to need respirators and serious hospital intervention/ beds from catching Covid, it leaves at least some of the usually winter~full beds free for people who get other health problems, the heart attacks, strokes, aneurisms, fractured hips, RTAs, cancer. Because we need to keep beds to treat other health problems and no one wants to see MHS staff and carers dying from treating the most vulnerable people with support they need.

So, no, I don't think usually healthy teachers should get Covid vaccine over those risking their lives daily to care for Covid or high risk patients , in carehomes where outbreak has a higher risk of killing off a whole home, nor those who may end up in ICU for weeks if they catch it or die

Have you any idea how much frontline social care and nhs staff have done and restricted their outside lives to keep their patients safe& limit their exposure?

This isn't comparable and PPs are being silly -misreading facts and misunderstanding issues- to compare

There's a difference between supermarket workers and teachers though. At the supermarket you may be close to someone fleetingly, or with protective screens and masks. In a school you are with 20-30 people either all day (primary) or 100-150 people (secondary) for an hour at a time with no/little PPE.

I think they should. To prevent the spread of infection.

The alternative strategy to vaccination of hands / face / space is harder to put in practice in some sectors than others. This has contributed to so many public transport workers being affected and is also why the staff group within healthcare that have seen the biggest deaths is inpatient transport.

If you take shops as an example - mitigation can be put in place, particularly in larger premises making it harder for coronavirus spores to colonise other people.

Mitigation is much harder to manage in schools - especially amongst younger aged children. Therefore the adults should be vaccinated.

We should look at those who can do the least to minimise their exposure instead of some crazy version of my job is more important than yours.

Trouble is, vaccinating teachers doesn't stop spread in the community. Child to child, family members to elderly relatives and work colleagues.

I think the way it's been done is fair enough.
It is to keep the most people dying and using nhs resources. Can you imagine the admin involved in deciding which group of key workers have it first? Teachers, police, supermarket workers all essential workers.

I've voted YABU because the residents in the care home I manage haven't been vaccinated yet. We have 35 staff and were offered 5 vaccines, all of which got cancelled. I've opted to go last so everyone else can have theirs first. Care homes weren't mentioned until covid meeting 11 and it's another example of the government not valuing the lives of the elderly at all. It's a disgrace, especially considering what the generation I care for have been through.

@Oblomov20

I think they should. Probably over and above the care home and over 70's.

But then the hospitals will still be overwhelmed and we'll still be in lockdown. It's older people and care home residents in the main that are in hospital beds.

@Bringonspring

Sorry but if people were actually healthy and not overweight/ obese they would worry less. My teacher friend is white and 38 and absolutely should expect nothing more than being uncomfortable for a couple of weeks instead she is significantly overweight and therefore very worried because if the increase in risk to her.

This virus should be a wake up call to all of us about the importance of looking after ourselves

Priority to the old and the obese wouldn't actually be the worst idea. ICU is mainly the old but apparently most the younger people there are obese. So that would make sense.

There are pros and cons. But it's not been suggested by the experts,

They should definitely vaccinate teachers and other staff in special needs schools as a priority. Many are closed despite the children being vulnerable and needing ongoing support. In my opinion they should be given the same priority as care home staff.

I've wondered this! Teachers, school staff, anyone who works in education. If he wants the schools open, protect the staff

@ivfbeenbusy

They'd still find a reason to argue they shouldn't open the schools like the vaccine not actually preventing you from catching just making the symptoms less severe 🤷‍♀️

Naughty

@Xmasgrump

It won’t stop transmission between kids, and then taken home to parents though.

This. People seem not to realise the virus is spreading through schools - it isn't just about teachers.

Yip. HCP's, teachers. Not 90 year olds in care homes.

All key workers including supermarket staff should be vaccinated as a priority.the healthy over 65s can stay at home a bit longer.

It's not just kids infecting teachers - if it was then vaccinating teachers would be the fix. It's kids infecting the other 30 kids in the class who then take it home to their parents & siblings. As well as the teachers you'd need to vaccinate all those that kids come into contact with, ie parents so most of the general population.
Which is pretty much covered by the current vaccine rollout proposal

Vaccination doesn't affect transmission. So the teacher could still pass on the virus to family and other pupils.

So YABU.

Some of stats show 540 health and social care staff that have died of Covid so far in U.K. Please say how many teachers you believe caught it and are dropping like flies (if not already CEV and told to stay home) - as it won't register statistically

They are vaccinating statistically to protect people most likely to die or most likely to be at risk / spread it. That isn't teachers nor other keyworkers - it is the medical staff and care workers who are working with people who have Covid or may catch it badly and need care to continue, in high risk groups that if they share it between staff, are creating exponentially higher risks of others dying from it.

Teachers and other workers should be vaccinated- but not before the most at risk groups they are targeting earlier

There is a limited supply, everyone will be vaccinated eventually but not children as not tested safe for them. So schools can't open earlier even if teachers are vaccinated. My DC are at risk from their friends sharing it, not the teachers.

PPs are using faulty logic

Completely agree

No, unless they fall into a vulnerable category. Closing school is about slowing transmission to people who are most likely to end up in hospital.
Possibly when they run the vaccine through the vulnerable/ elderly groups it would be worth prioritising groups such as teachers. So, for example, in the under 50 group, doing teachers and other frontline workers first.