To ask why people vote for trump

[Yabuok]

Although it is looking like trump has lost why did so many people vote for him. I won’t pretend that the uk is somehow better or we would never vote for him as we basically have already... but what is the appeal why do people follow him?

Presumably, given you actually think that it is only looking like he lost you would have voted for him?

It’s not looking like he lost, he has lost. There is only one more challenge to make and that’s already been shouted down.

Plus if you’ve heard the leaked phone call between him and the governor of Georgia where he was essentially begging him to find more votes....

What is your agenda here OP? Genuinely? Because it’s clear this isn’t just about you wondering why people voted for him.

@Yabuok

I just wanted to acknowledge that litigation is pending.

Trump's team have had approx 60 lawsuits thrown out. The latest one was thrown out a couple of days ago. This rejection of the confirmation of the vote is a political stunt, created by Republican politicians looking to feather their own nests.

The pro gun lobby, the National Rifle Association, has spent hundreds of millions over the past 30 years, in coordination with the far right religious groups and have created a powerful group whose interests are aligned. They’re all bigots, that’s the common denominator. My own brother grew up middle class, military, never been unemployed, raised a family and did well for himself without getting rich. He voted for trump twice. Why? He hates “liberals” but wtf does that mean?

There are also Americans who think that unless you served in the military you don’t have the right to an opinion.

Personally, I don’t believe that Biden got more votes than Obama, and more than any candidate in history

It doesn't matter what you believe, the numbers are the numbers.

@Ladyks

Personally, I don’t believe that Biden got more votes than Obama, and more than any candidate in history. No chance from a candidate that didn’t campaign & spent a large amount of time in his basement. More people don’t hate Trump than they loved Obama. Not saying Biden didn’t win, but 80 million+ votes?? I can see why people question it.

I can't. The reasons Biden got elected are clear.

Not Trump.
Took CV seriously and looks like a safer pair of hands.
Postal votes during CV led to more voters voting.
Polarised electorate who desperately wanted their man to win.
Voting really, really mattered this time.
Some politicians taking the time to mobilise and enfranchise black voters ie Stacey Abrams in Georgia.
Not Trump.

I'm sure there are many more reasons, but you get the gist?

His evangelical followers want to 'save the babies'

They couldn't give a monkeys once the 'babies' are born - they can live in squalid conditions, be separated from their parents, not have health care or education not one evangelical gives a toss.

Probably because the Dems have failed, as with Labour here, to stop the white working class feeling disenfranchised. Not all Trump voters are racist (many aren’t white) but the way that the Dens have hurtled into identity politics to a quite deranged degree (cheering boys in girls sport and men in women’s prisons) left a lot of decent people unable to vote for them. And Trump is noxious, but was the only alternative.

I actually hope the Republicans win control of the House this month as otherwise women will be legislated out of existence. As will their sport, their safe spaces, and every sex-based right they ever fought for.

The sole reason Joe Biden was elected is because he’s not Trump. They could have put a potato up against Trump and it would have won.

Biden is an appalling candidate, a lifelong political also-ran, and one who is not only creepy with women/ children but shows clear signs of cognitive decline. I hate to sound ageist but 78 is VERY old to be doing a job that wrecks the health of many 50-somethings. You need vitality and vigour.

He’s probably only place-holding for Kamala (‘she/ her’) Harris who is even more desperate to decimate women’s rights than he is!

Because its a democracy, because they endorse and agree with some of his views, because they think they will do better under him, because they dont want liberal woke, there are many reasons, people are entitled to their views and those who agree or disagree with one side or the other are not automatically uneducated

They’re all bigots, that’s the common denominator.

Do you actually not see the irony here?

Because his political machine is very good at telling people who feel in a tight spot (whether they are or not) that their enemies are black people, Mexican immigrants, foreigners generally and socialism which will prevent them getting mega rich which is "the American dream", rather than the truth, which is that it is people like him and his backers.

Didn’t Florida vote for him?

There's no mystery or conspiracy about it -- it was just there were fewer excuses to NOT vote.

Postal voting has indeed made it easier, but I think there is more to it than that: that would apply to both sides, except Trump went out of his way to diss postal voting and some Republicans may have taken this as an instruction not to use a postal vote.

I think a lot more people who voted Democrat in the Presidential race (but not always on the rest of the ballot: there were places in which the only Democrat who won was Biden) voted against Trump than voted for Biden, in reality.

What I mean is, if Biden had been up against a normal Republican candidate, he would have lost because people who are vaguely Democrat or have more-or-less Democrat sympathies wouldn't have bothered. And no Republican or Republican sympathiser would have voted for him, as some seem to have done in this election.

These same people were galvanised by the prospect of Trump winning into turning out in their hundreds of thousands, because four more years of Trump looked to them like a really horrible option.

Oh, and a largish tranche of the military, not a body usually noted for their Democrat sympathies, seem to have voted against Trump for all sorts of reasons: they didn't like being deprived of their houses and education facilities so the budget intended for them could be given to Trump's buddies to build a few miles of border wall, they didn't like the prospect of being illegally ordered to attack American civilians on American soil, they didn't like him insulting or slighting their war-dead, they really didn't like his attacks on McCain whom they saw as one of their own, they didn't like him calling them losers, and they just generally found him to be all mouth and no trousers about his much-vaunted "support" for the military. Particularly since they knew he was a coward who dodged the draft on spurious excuses.

So there was a record turnout for Biden, which would have been a record turnout for a blue-based baboon if that had been the alternative to Trump. Or as someone else said, a potato.

This does not answer the OP's question. I don't feel that I know why anyone voted for Trump, apart from feeling they will have been (for some reason incomprehensible to me) convinced they should do so and being very resistant to the idea of changing their mind about it after they said they would or they did so last time. Isn't that, along with "I always vote Republican/Democrat/Green" the reason for an awful lot of votes?

@MaskingForIt

For much the same reasons that people vote for Boris/Conservatives in the U.K.

They think that their lives will be better under that sort of leadership, that there will be more jobs and opportunities, that they don’t want “communism”, that everyone should work to provide for themselves and not be reliant on state handouts.

It’s not rocket science.

Everyone I know who voted Conservative think that Trump is a certifiable lunatic.

The only people I know who think he's a good thing are Covid-denying anti-vaxxers who think Bill Gates is the anti-Christ

Everyone I know who voted Conservative think that Trump is a certifiable lunatic.

Cognitive dissonance is alive and well.

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Didn’t Florida vote for him?

He did win FL and did very well among the state's large Hispanic population.

I have relatives down there (not trump supporters) and they weren’t vaguely supposed (generally find people down there rude, sexist and rather trump-esque).

Winning politicians end up with diverse constituencies. As for DT,

There are those who
...heard of him
.. find him entertaining
...like a disrupter
...convinced the Dems are immoral evil (that Obama was evil )
...like his economic policies (G-Conway was in this camp)
...Hispanics terrified of communism and failed family values
...believe that soft liberals who don't support right wing causes are too dominant, anything to stop them
...like his Resentment tone
...see opportunity to promote nationalism they like
... made a pact to accept his immoral character if abortion might be outlawed
...think Dems are genuinely worse + total hypocrites

Trump's money-machine is very efficient, apparently.

Look up Never Trumpers like Ana Navarro-Cárdenas, Nicola Wallace, Steve Schmidt or George Conway, John Brennan for some antidote. They need more Twitter followers! Conway helped impeach Clinton ffs. Comey was a Republican too, once.