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[Lockdowner35]

As the last thread reached 1000 posts

I will start

Jo Swinson would have do a better job than Boris on Coronavirus

@ChochoCrazyCat

But by your own admission there will always be people who choose to stay put. Because the jobs they do need to be done by someone. But then you keep saying they should aim higher. You're making no sense...

They will choose to stay put because they want to work PT only. Or want to work around personal commitments. Or they don't want a long commute. Or whatever other reasons they may have. They don't stay put Because the jobs they do need to be done by someone as you say. They are not staying put out of a sense of duty. So yes, I think they should aim higher but I know many won't. And that's (often) their choice.

@FoxyTheFox

I'm happy to help people who try to help themselves, but if they choose to stay put, that's their choice and not my responsibility to subsidise it.

You personally are not subsidising it, the government is. Beyond voting for the party who most aligns with your views, you don't get a say what the government does with the tax you pay because once its handed over it is no longer yours.

But I didn't hand it over voluntarily, did I? We must pay tax. And tax is whatever amount it is because it's necessary to run things. If fewer things were paid out of the state coffers, tax would be lower. So yes, it's my money.

Shorts don't look good on anyone other than professional footballers or rugby players.

[quote BarryWhiteIsMyBrother]**@FoxyTheFox* It has caps and limitations. There are expectations for out of work benefits such as spending 35hrs a week jobseeking, signing on, going on courses, etc. It doesn't come with pay progression or a back up plan.*

And you think that it shouldn't? That someone on benefit shouldn't try to find a job or learn a skill?[/quote]
A lot of people on benefits are slogging their guts out doing the jobs some people think are beneath them. Whether the state pays for your care when you’re old or you pay yourself, someone getting paid fuck all still has to wipe your arse.

And you think that it shouldn't? That someone on benefit shouldn't try to find a job or learn a skill?

Please do quote me where I said this?

I think people on benefits should be helped and we should be giving people a hand up rather than kicking them down. Instead of moaning about people claiming support in order to have a basic standard of living, the disgust should be directed at the employers who think it is acceptable to pay such low wages.

Petite people look good in maxi dresses.

Well, here's one of mine then: the direct tax system is fair. Those with a high income don't like it but it's a fair system. The only thing that really disproportionately increases with salary is resentment of paying it.

Indirect taxes are unfair as they disadvantage those with low incomes.

How many people in low-paid jobs have heart attacks because of work-related stress? How many lose sleep because of work? How many have to be away from their families for days on end only to then not be able to switch off when they are home? People who get paid more, often put more in one way or another. They don't come home and switch off. They work while on holiday. They work weekends. They miss kids' birthdays, wedding anniversaries. That's why they get paid more. Not always, but often. They are not paid more because they are lucky. So why should they be penalised by paying more tax?

@BarryWhiteIsMyBrother But the bottom line is these jobs do need to be done. Elderly people and children need to be cared for, shop shelves stacked, places cleaned. Doesn't matter why someone is choosing to do these jobs, they need done. They're also low paid. So either they need to be subsidised with benefits or employers need to pay more. How are you not getting this.

Vegetarian and vegan food is perfectly normal food, and unless you are part lion you probably eat food that happens to be vegetarian or vegan (toast, pizza, pasta, cornflakes, baked potato, crisps, chocolate, Oreos, salad, fruit) all the time.

Expecting a vegan to eat meat is not remotely comparable to expecting an omnivore to eat pasta or curry instead of steak or chops for one single meal.

If you think people employed in low paid jobs in care don't experience stress, you need to be forced to have a lobotomy via enema. Although to be fair they would not find much brain matter to be removed.

Women don't need to wear bras unless it's painful or uncomfortable for them not to. (Can still choose to wear one obv.)

I don't change bedding daily
I don't wash towels daily 😅😅
I wear pyjamas to wfh

@BarryWhiteIsMyBrother

How many people in low-paid jobs have heart attacks because of work-related stress? How many lose sleep because of work? How many have to be away from their families for days on end only to then not be able to switch off when they are home? People who get paid more, often put more in one way or another. They don't come home and switch off. They work while on holiday. They work weekends. They miss kids' birthdays, wedding anniversaries. That's why they get paid more. Not always, but often. They are not paid more because they are lucky. So why should they be penalised by paying more tax?

We were a high earning couple. We did none of those things. We weren’t penalised by paying more tax - we had more money so we paid more. That’s what happens in a society which has a shred of decency.

How many people in low paid jobs lose sleep because they haven’t got enough money? How many miss family occasions because they have to work every hour God sends?

People who justify low taxes and minimising benefits because high earners got there by their own efforts and no one deserves a handout, yet think inheritance is totally fine, are hypocrites.

I think inheritance tax is a good thing.

@annevonkleve

I think inheritance tax is a good thing.

Me too

yet think inheritance is totally fine, are hypocrites.

Not really, as inheritance is generally from their own families, parents etc. You wouldn't expect to receive an inheritance handout from a stranger would you.

Whoever is leaving you an inheritance is likely to have already paid tax on those assets. Why should you pay again? Or are we now just bashing wealth for the sake of it and saying the more tax high earners pay the better?

@JessicaHyde

If you think people employed in low paid jobs in care don't experience stress, you need to be forced to have a lobotomy via enema. Although to be fair they would not find much brain matter to be removed.

Please pay attention to what I wrote - I didn't say people in care jobs don't get stressed. I just outlined that in most low-paid jobs the level of stress wouldn't lead you to have a heart attack. I know very few people who don't have any work-related stress, no matter what their job is.

saying the more tax high earners pay the better?

I think that's generally how it goes.

@Orlania

yet think inheritance is totally fine, are hypocrites.

Not really, as inheritance is generally from their own families, parents etc. You wouldn't expect to receive an inheritance handout from a stranger would you.

You miss the point. Inheritance means people don't have equal opportunities and therefore there's no justification to say high earners must have worked harder or smarter than low earners.

The hypocrisy is in claiming whatever high earners achieve is all down to the individual, yet still wanting to give their own kids a head start in life. Why would someone do that unless under all the bluster about hard work and achievement they knew it really does make a difference.

@CherryValanc

Well, here's one of mine then: the direct tax system is fair. Those with a high income don't like it but it's a fair system. The only thing that really disproportionately increases with salary is resentment of paying it.

Indirect taxes are unfair as they disadvantage those with low incomes.

I agree with your first sentence, but not the rest. I am a highest rate tax payer who has no issue with paying my share. I know plenty of others too.

Or are we now just bashing wealth for the sake of it

Ha, hardly. I work in the City. I just can't stand hypocrisy and self-delusion.

Someone who stands up and says "I like having money, I want to keep it and I don't especially care about whether that's fair or not" is at least honest. It's this nasty narrative of "I achieved everything by myself, people who don't have what I have only have themselves to blame so it's my moral obligation to keep it all".

Where is your evidence? Wishful thinking