For thinking that people are naive to be taken in by celebrity PR

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Reading several threads recently gushing about celebrities who are amazing and enlightened and doing so much good in the world world, apparently. Am I the only one who isn’t taken in my this nonsense and the image that celebrity PR machines create in order to make celebrities more likeable and bankable. Are people really that gullible that they can’t see past it and get taken in by it. Is everyone an armchair campaigner now, a few interviews, podcasts, do gooder tweets, turning up to Publicity events to ‘help’ the needy and they deserve a knighthood? Really?
Harry and Meghan, Marcus Rashford are few that spring to mind. Can no one else this is just marketing, and cheap talk. It makes them money, keeps them in the news and prolongs their talentless, flagging careers.

The cynical premise with which you started could easily be agreed with.

There may be some celebrities who use good causes as a vehicle to promote their own agenda and celebrity. However even if that were the case the net effect for that chosen good cause will be beneficial.

In addition there are also a number of famous/wealthy people who believe in specific ‘good causes’ and want to use their privilege without looking to pursue their own advancement or celebrity. Again the net effect for that good cause is beneficial.

Nobody is truly altruistic and people feel good for doing good things. If the outcome is positive the reason driving behind it, should not be relevant.

Your thread became redundant when you talked about Marcus Rashfird. But yes, I am by people who believe in PR relationships, of the fluff spouted by Meghan.

You do have a point about celebs who do ‘token’ charity work - couple of photos ops, some preachy wide of the mark statement which highlights the fact they know nothing about what they are talking about etc
BUT I agree with everyone else that Marcus Rashford cannot be lumped in with that crowd. He remembers his own childhood and has used his newfound celeb influence to really help the poor vulnerable children of our country. He’s doing what he believes should be done and I think he’d be doing it wether he was famous or not.

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Interesting combination of people.....

What do you think of Dianne Abbott Op?

Hee hee

Oh 💯 I’ve no interest in the /moral/political opinions of champagne socialists.

We had this conversation the other day. I totally disagree with you about Marcus rashford though. I'm getting increasingly annoyed with "celebs" who think they're some kind of saviour. Sophie Ellis bexter dancing in her kitchen is an example. I don't give a shit

Marcus is fabulous.

Meh. Can you explain how Marcus Rashford is talentless? He was a FSM kid, and there is no doubt, because of his other charity work, that it is a subject very close to his heart and it always has been.

KK? i know very little about her, but if she can do some good with her massive platform, why is that a bad thing?

Just wanted to add my support to Marcus Rashford he has shown real compassion and courage and I applaud him.

I have no idea if Marcus Rashford has any talent, I don't know anything about football, I do however think he has a strong moral compass and was plainly bought up to be a very decent human being and I admire the effort he is making for young people.

As to KK, H&M and the like, Meh!

clue: he plays for one of the top teams in the premier league and the English national league. That makes him one of... IDK the top 25? players in the country?

OP what do you think about tory MPs doing photo ops in Foodbanks? Virtue Signalling or are they Doing Good Work?

Hes just won Guardian Footballer of the Year.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/04/the-guardian-footballer-of-the-year-marcus-rashford-my-mum-is-everything

So you would rather people with influence did absolutely nothing to help others.

If all you really wanted to do was have yet another bash at Harry and Meghan don't you think you should have just had the balls to do so instead of mash it up in such a clumsy and frankly rather dumb way?
I am more than a little embarrassed for you.

I personally think that yes you're correct in that some do use these things to boost their career however i would say some also have genuine motives. Regardless of underlying motives raising awareness of important issues is fantastic and ultimately helps other people. Let them crack on i say

Sure, for some it’s PR and some genuinely want to make a difference. Why is it so hard to believe that, as individuals, they may strongly care about certain cause or causes and having achieved celebrity status and comfortable income, they would want to use it to do good?

I think an example is subsequent Do They Know it’s Christmas recordings. The first one was organic and pop stars all just trundled along because they’d been asked. The next time agents and their stars had an eye to the main chance and knew that the song and Live Aid were money spinners and a publicity vehicle.

I cannot stand Kim Kardashian or her relentless self promotion, however there is a woman of colour who was given a ridiculously tough life sentence who is now free because if KK's intervention on her behalf. She's also apparently doing really well with her studies for her law degree. She appears to be putting the work in. Same as Marcus R. H&M however I have no time for whatsoever. Everything they do now is designed to bring them back into favour with the public and little else.

Anyway, I kind of want to give KK the benefit of the doubt at this point as she has made a huge difference to at least one person and their family's lives.

@user1471565182

Interesting combination of people.....

What do you think of Dianne Abbott Op?

Yes, I was wondering what the Op thought of Michelle Obama.

Celebrities are often 'brands' now and their PR teams do flood the gossip mags etc with press releases and 'tips' to raise the profile of their brand to try to attract advertising revenue etc. It's good to be aware of that when reading 'articles' and puff pieces.

However on the other hand I think you can separate what is being said with what is being done. When something tangible is achieved because of their direct actions and work they deserve the credit - Marcus Rashford is an example of an achiever rather than just a promoter. He's being talked about because he's doing something.

Harry & Meghan, the Kardashians etc are examples of self promoters - they are doing things so that they will be talked about.

If someone uses their fame as a platform to raise awareness of and funds for good causes, I have no problem with that. Of course some are not self serving than others.

Rather that than what the likes of Laurence Fox etc do

I think we should be encouraging stuff like Kim Kardashian studying law. Isnt she usually criticised (probably rightly) for representing nothing?

wasnt her dad OJ's lawyer?

I used to work in that scene.

I’ve met and worked with some phenomenal people

The rule of thumb is generally the longer they’ve been around. The nicer they are. The quicker they became famous. The harder they are to work with

However. Hands on heart. Out of the thousands I worked with. I’d say I could count the horrid people on one hand

They generally are polite. Kind hearted. Generous.

There’s one particular person I worked with. Who is actually seen very well in the media. He’s literally the kindest person I’ve ever known. He looks after his team so well. I don’t have enough things to say about him.

The few that have been harder work. Do generally turn it around if they want to last. Most are just like me snd you. Some expect a little more. But then we get paid for it. End of.

Kk is actually a really lovely lady. She does a lot of good work behind the scenes and regardless of what you think of them. They’ve built a billion dollar empire. Not everyone can say that.