Not to take a single dose vaccine before trials?

[prowlingbrooms]

That’s it really
I’m not an anti vaxxer - I’ve had every shot I’ve ever needed plus tons more as I lived in tropical climes for years. My kids too. But I’m not taking a single dose / mixed dose shot against the advice of the manufacturer/ without trials (and now against Dr Faucis example, whom I trust more than our rat bag of ad hoc leadership)
I am also incandescent with rage that my parents were given the first shot without informed consent ie on the basis that it was being administered experimentally!
Do you agree - and if not, why not

I wish people would write more clearly. First I thought the OP was in USA, otherwise what does Fauci have to do with anything. Also the claim that anyone was getting one shot is not true in the UK, so she must be talking about somewere else.

Anyway, I do agree that people in the UK who were told the follow-up shot would be in three weeks should have it in three weeks. Actually when I heard the GP complaining that she would have to have long conversations with 1000 patients explaining why their already-made appointment was changing, my initial thought she was in the wrong and being bloody-minded and pedantic, in some sort of obtuse attempt to make the government look bad, because I assumed the government could not (i.e. did not have the power to) direct her to do something so stupid. I also believe they wouldn't, even if they could. I may be wrong, I haven't followed the news since.

@PurpleDaisies

Let alone giving a second dose of a completely different vaccine.

Public health England have responded to rumours of this saying this won’t happen. You’ll get the same vaccine as before.

Fwiw, mixing vaccines can give better immunity but this needs to be trialled first, and not on the mass population!

Public Health England are telling us it's fine to deliver an untested vaccine regimen - so their credibility is pretty shot to pieces right now.

Nobody credible who doesn't work for this government thinks it's a good idea.

I do agree that people in the UK who were told the follow-up shot would be in three weeks should have it in three weeks.

Why should they? Because they were told? Because it's hard work for surgeries to cancel all the appointments?

But it's ok to cancel schools opening with a weekend's notice and for headteachers to have to implement school wide testing within a few weeks?

If it's ok to give people one dose it's ok to let down those who were promised dose two. Needs must and kindness or "promise" shouldn't be a consideration.

That is if logisitically possible, and I guess it probably is in many cases when priority needs to be given to giving as many people the vaccine as possible. Concentrate efforts where most useful.

I just cannot understand the viewpoint that people think it should be given because people have been promised.

Why should they? Because they were told? Because it's hard work for surgeries to cancel all the appointments?

Because that was what they were told and what they gave their consent to.

I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I think it’s a valid argument.

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@GloGirl

*I do agree that people in the UK who were told the follow-up shot would be in three weeks should have it in three weeks.*

Why should they? Because they were told? Because it's hard work for surgeries to cancel all the appointments?

But it's ok to cancel schools opening with a weekend's notice and for headteachers to have to implement school wide testing within a few weeks?

If it's ok to give people one dose it's ok to let down those who were promised dose two. Needs must and kindness or "promise" shouldn't be a consideration.

That is if logisitically possible, and I guess it probably is in many cases when priority needs to be given to giving as many people the vaccine as possible. Concentrate efforts where most useful.

I just cannot understand the viewpoint that people think it should be given because people have been promised.

Consent.

Hundreds of thousands of people have rolled their sleeve up for a vaccine that is untested and unlicensed at this dose schedule. To which they did not consent.

Part of the covid vaccination process is the explanation and consent. Which is all bullshit now.

**Consent.

Hundreds of thousands of people have rolled their sleeve up for a vaccine that is untested and unlicensed at this dose schedule. To which they did not consent.

Part of the covid vaccination process is the explanation and consent. Which is all bullshit now.**

Sorry, yes. Totally concede to that point.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/no-data-to-support-uk-delay-of-vaccines-second-dose-says-who

Op would your parents have declined the first dose if they had known the second one would be given 12 weeks later rather than 3 weeks later?
Or would they have accepted the first dose, because some protection is better than none?
I think being incandescent and going on about guinea pigs is ridiculous. A pragmatic decision had to be made. 600 people are dying every day. Probably if they had all had one dose, very few would be dying. Therefore it's sensible to cancel 800,000 second doses if it means that 800,000 people get their first dose a week sooner. It could save 600x7 lives.
I realise the government are crap but they have got further ahead than any European country on the vaccine front, and they do deserve some credit for that