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Worried for child of covert narc

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:22

Tryin to keep this short but its difficult. Name changed obviously.

My sister and I are no contact for years. She tormented and abused me growing up.
Told many lies about me to our parents throughout my childhood and early adult life until I stopped contact.

We are complete opposites,always were.
She is introverted ,office job. Not very confident.
I have been to counselling for years for the damage she's done to me. She really is a nasty piece of work who appears lovely and quiet to everyone outside of her family.

Even in our adult life she physically attacked me,twice, when nobody was around and I wasn't believed for a long time as she'd done such a number on my parents convincing them I was never to be trusted. This affected my life greatly.

She seems highly embarrassed of where we come from and what my parents do for a living. She has adopted a new accent and has done everything she can to appear 'middle class'. She is extremely controlling and doesn't take the children to visit my parents very much.

When we do see the children the oldest child (7) is often very upset. We see her being tormented in some of the same ways I was. Child is controlled and micromanaged to the extreme.
Example..they were going to a birthday party after visiting us.
Niece (5 at the time) was sobbing uncontrollably because her mother had been shouting and berating her earlier for signing the card with a plus ( +) instead of a kiss ( x ) she kept angrily rubbing it out and telling the 5 year old child to do it again (I remember her doing this with me as a child when I was forced to ask her for help with homework- she'd shout at me like I was a learning disabled foreigner with little understanding of English)Hmm she micromanages everything the child does including toys,play and food.

Child has two younger siblings who seem not to get the same abuse but perhaps thats because they are too young or are boys?
Child tenses up and is extremely nervous when her mum comes back for her she cries every time and recently was wailing ''she upsets me every day, why is she always upsetting me?'.... from a 7 year old..this was utterly heartbreaking to hear.
I understand kids do play up and can make us look like evil creatures sometimes!Grin but this is worrying.
Child is expected to do everything perfectly and only have interests in what her mother deems interesting. If child likes somthing else or does somthing childlike..her mother seems almost...embarrassed?! Child is an extension of mother and must be seen as perfect and intelligent at all times. My own mother is now very concerned and cries regularly worrying for her granddaughter.
My Parents cannot and will not say anything because they know they will see the children less than they do now so will absolutely not rock the boat. You cannot approach her with anything and she is very cold and will just ignore then take things away from you to punish you.

Sorry if I'm not making a lot of sense. I'm not even sure what I'm asking of mumsnet here. I'm just very worried and have been damaged incredibly by this woman I panic when I think of my niece being put through the same kind of treatment . We make sure there is no stress when we see the child alone, we make sure to praise her and tell her we love her but every time we see her ...its like her little spirit is broken more and more. We dont see the children enough to really have an impact on their lives. I worry a lot about what it's like in their home.
Does anyone have a similar story or advice for any part of this? I cant stop worrying about the future for this child.
Thank you if you've read til the end.

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RelaisBlu · 29/12/2020 14:26

I have read to the end and feel very sad for this child.
Where is her father (your sister's partner?) in all of this?

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:27

Thank you.
He is there. They are both professionals who work long hours.

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:28

They never wanted kids originally. It happened. Now they have 3.

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RelaisBlu · 29/12/2020 14:29

How does he treat the child and how does he react to your sister's behaviour towards her?

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:33

He is much the same. They're very well suited. they both look down on our family. Theyre both from very working class backgrounds

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:33

I feel he has more patience with the children and is kinder though.

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RelaisBlu · 29/12/2020 14:40

If he is kinder, could you speak to him about it? Tell him about the child's distress and what she said about her mum upsetting her every day

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:43

RelaisBlu I really couldn't. He doesn't like us very much. We hardly see them and if we said anything he would tell her immediately. Its mad but my parents will never ddress anything she does. In case they dont see the children at all. So nobody will push her buttons. I have been the whistleblower in the past but it made my parents fight with me and tell me I ruined things. my own father didn't talk to me for two years because I wouldn't stop telling them she beat me up and they wanted to ignore it

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 14:45

My father still denies anything is wrong with her. My mother is fully aware and has apologised profusely for the past. But she still wont say anything.
So we're just in a constant ball of worry for the kids but desperate to see them so cant say anything.

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Aahotep · 29/12/2020 15:07

I have no advice but it's like hearing about my own sister and her daughter who is now in her twenties and has moved to the other end of the country to get away.

Yawnyprawn · 29/12/2020 15:36

I wonder if you could get some advice from an organisation like the NSPCC on what to do with this. It does sound like emotional abuse.

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:36

Aahotep have you been able to maintain a good relationship with your niece? How badly has she been effected?

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:38

Yawnyprawn thank you . My partner did say he feels its abuse. I'm just not sure what it falls under? I was worried contacting nspcc would be seen as extreme/wasting time or taking resources away from children in immediate danger if you get me.

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letsnotscaretheneighbours · 29/12/2020 15:44

@NothingICanDo do you know what school the eldest goes to? If so speak to the safeguarding person there. I am going through it at the moment but with my daughter. I've spoken to the NSPCC who referred to Social Services who do fuck all because this kind of abuse is too difficult to prove and then finally the school because they will keep an eye on the child/ren.

Other than that just keep doing what you are.

I'm so sorry you're going through this, it puts you through the wringer emotionally

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:47

letsnotscaretheneighbours I can find out the school yes. It's so frustrating as you say..its extremely difficult to prove . Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. I will look into what I can do. I hope your situation improves.

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letsnotscaretheneighbours · 29/12/2020 15:50

@NothingICanDo sadly not likely anytime soon for me. Its very complicated.

Look after yourself, and if you need a rant feel free to shout in my inbox x

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:53

letsnotscaretheneighbours oh thank you very much. I may just do that a little later on.
I've realised if I talk about this to people that have no experience with it...I come across as crazy or making it up. Im sure you know the feeling. Thank you again.

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2bazookas · 29/12/2020 15:54

If you have no contact with your sister how come you often see her interacting with her children?

Yawnyprawn · 29/12/2020 15:55

@NothingICanDo it is verbal/emotional abuse, for sure. The NSPCC are there to advise on situations like this and won’t consider it a waste of their time.
Good idea to speak to school safeguarding person too @letsnotscaretheneighbours.
Also, just being present in the child’s life (where possible) could help, sending cards etc so she knows she’s being thought of and loved. My aunt did this for me growing up, and it did make a big difference knowing there was someone on my side even though we didn’t see each other often.

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:55

I see them when I qnd they come to my parents house. To keep a relationship with the children.

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:56

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 15:59

My aunt did this for me growing up, and it did make a big difference knowing there was someone on my side even though we didn’t see each other often
this made me cry. That's all I tell myself. ''She'll know I'm here for her'' it's so sad. Theres no excitement in this child she has it pushed away. She even corrects adults pronunciation as if the way she speaks is the only wa. These are horrible traits to have in a little child. Of course we want her to speak properly but shes already learning to look down on people who are not like her.

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londongirl12 · 29/12/2020 16:02

Please contact the NSPCC. That's what they're there for. Yes she might not be hitting her, but emotional abuse is just as bad. They are the experts, they'll be able to advise on what to do

NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 16:03

If you have no contact with your sister how come you often see her interacting with her children? I make it my priority to be at my parents house when I know the children are visiting.

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NothingICanDo · 29/12/2020 16:07

londongirl12 ok,that's a few of you now who have said I should. Thank you. I had expected people telling me to butt out and suggesting I'm only making trouble as I dislike my sister. That's settled. I'll call the NSPCC for advice. Where should I start?just the facts?I believe child is being emotionally abused and should I give examples? I'm just nervous I'll sound like a time waster on the phone. Or I wont make it sound serious enough. Iyswim

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