Hilaria Baldwin pretended to be Spanish wtf?!

[Ballstothis148]

This is the least important and most weird story of 2020.... this woman comes up on my Instagram a lot as a suggested page. Tbh I don’t find her interesting but know she’s Spanish and is into health, having babies with Alec Baldwin and that’s pretty much it. She speaks with a Spanish accent, on her IG page she calls her children “Baldwinitos” I do remember an article saying when she speaks Spanish to her kids people confuse her for a nanny so I thought an interesting take on a European mum in the States.

Except it’s all a lie. She’s not remotely Spanish. Her wealthy Boston parents (no Spanish ancestry) now have a holiday home there.

What is wrong with people?! I include me for being too interested :) why pretend to be Spanish? In one interview she even pretended she didn’t know the word for cucumber as her English isn’t that good

Oh and she’s not even called Hilaria, she’s called Hilary. This year I swear... what an odd story!! I did know a girl who went very French after a romance there one year... maybe it’s a thing!

Yeh our perception of spain/spaniards v diff to theirs so not sure what she got out of it. What was the "con".

She just loves spain a bit too much. Yo la perdonaré eso 🍷💃

Righttt ok...coming back to the normal discussion and not feeding the troll...

She's announced she'll be taking a break from SM. This is a welcome announcement and I think it will do her good. I suspect she'll return in the future and it will be interesting to see how she presents herself then. A reinvented version?

@LittleBearPad

Maybe I'm just sticking my head above the gunfire because I don't think a self indulgent bitchfest is an excuse for bullying someone? This media furore over this particular woman (when many others do much worse) is disgusting. Thats a real person, someone I'd expect people on mumsnet to have some sympathy for in the circumstances. She seems like a great mother and stepmother, and her children are going to read this some day.

This thread? I doubt it 🤣

Get a grip. She’s being teased for being a rather silly liar.

The world will move on. She will be fine.

No, obviously not just this thread. This issue has blown up on the Internet all over. Hillaria Baldwin isn't exactly a Jeffrey Epstein though, is she? So much vitriol, when others get away with far worse.

@GreenlandTheMovie

It's not like insurance fraud at all. Insurance fraud involves very specific lies or misleading information resulting in a direct benefit from a clear intention to make that pecuniary gain. Not embellishing your exotic credentials. The woman could have got the magazine covers and TV work because she soeaks Spanish and has Spanish connections.

When I googled her, the first page contained a link to a Spanish awards show where she was being interviewed for Spanish TV, in Spain, speaking Spanish. There isn't a direct enough link between the "gains" here and the slightly misleading information for it to be fraudulent. It would never meet the criminal standard required for fraud.

In fact, it might be defamatory to say that, and the fact that she hasn't tried to get critics closed down by issuing defamation threats is another indication that this isn't part of some great dishonest master scheme.

Whereas Alexandre Grant and Meghan Markle have legal teams scouring the media to issue legal threats against any media reporting that might be harmful to them. Alexandre Grant in particular has made so many lies over the years about her artistic accomplishments and charitable involvement which are proven untrue that I cannot understand why she hasn't been charged with fraud.

Rosesongrangransgarden that comment about Shakira - do we really have to judge someone's right to talk about thair own racial heritage on the basis of whether their skin is dark enough or they dye their hair? My friend is 1/4 Chinese - her mother is half Chinese, and ike many people with that sort of mixed race background, looks completely European. She is regularly told by people that she cannot be mixed race be ause her skin is the wrong colour or that she doesn't understand what mixed race means. In China, she would fit into the vast range of features of Chinese people without question. Yet she has to buy Asian fit sunglasses and cannot drink alcohol without flushing. Its so offensive I don't even know where to start, because she doesn't fit neatly into some rigid, pre-conceived stereotype.

Involves very specific lies or misleading information resulting in a direct benefit from a clear intention to make that pecuniary gain

But that is exactly what she did! She gained exposure, cover, right down to as you acknowledged, interviewed for Spanish tv - a spot taken from a true Spanish person.

In fact, it might be defamatory to say that, and the fact that she hasn't tried to get critics closed down by issuing defamation threats is another indication that this isn't part of some great dishonest master scheme.

You're not using logic here. Why would she deliberately want to draw attention to the facts? She would be risking lawyers checking the facts re defamation, which would out her. The fact she hasn't issued threats, is proof that she has concocted it all and she knows it so won't rock the boat.

@bambinaballerina

I'm not sure she identifies as Spanish. I think it's just a little lie that got out of hands. She must have studied Spanish since a young age, probably had a Spanish speaking nanny, and maybe created a persona based around that, fake tan, dark hair etc..

Her husband might like Spanish and Latin women, so they went along with it. After years of pretending to be Spanish, giving interviews to magazines, and naming her kids Spanish names, she couldn't exactly say in an interview :

" BTW, I was born and brought up in Boston, and my parents moved to Mallorca in 2011." It would have looked beyond odd. So she just went on.

It happens all the time, people pretending to be from somewhere they are not, having important connections etc.. She's just married to someone famous so it all came up on social media.

Maybe she just wanted to look more "exotic" to the American public, you know some people don't actually separate Latinos from Spaniards, and Latinas are stereotyped. From her video there seems to be a general confusion about it.

How is dyeing her hair, and changing skin tone a 'little lie' that got out of hand? She is a natural dark blonde judging by her high school photos. This was a well thought out charade on her part. There is even an instagram video of her comparing her (fake) skin tone to that of her daughter's. She also said on multiple occasions that she was born in Spain and didn't move to the US until she was 19. I mean it's not too far off 'black-face' really. I do think she has mental health problems though, and I hope her husband will stick by her and get her the help she needs.

It's kind of karma in a way for her husband - he spends a lot of his time impersonating and mocking other people - I'm sure he will get a real roasting over this himself! It's pretty crap for the five children though who will read/hear all about this one day.

Because it needs to have a specific victim to be fraudulent Kalula. So the insurance company, but generally getting work for being a "personality" isn't.

I mentioned defamation and legal threats, because quite a few of these celeb types do seem to have reams of lawyers working for them with the purpose of protecting a very carefully cultivated image which they protect against any negative stuff leaking out. There doesn't seem to be any hint of that here.

@GreenlandTheMovie We are not talking about fraud that would get you in court. For some reason you seem fixated on the point that fraud has to be actionable in law. There is moral fraud, as well. These are common terms, not just legal ones. We are talking generally here, not talking about court of law fraud.

@PurplePansy05

Righttt ok...coming back to the normal discussion and not feeding the troll...

She's announced she'll be taking a break from SM. This is a welcome announcement and I think it will do her good. I suspect she'll return in the future and it will be interesting to see how she presents herself then. A reinvented version?

She'll definitely be back. SM is her life. It's a bit sad really. No doubt she'll blame it all on 'trolls' and 'bullies' but I can't see how her image can recover from this.

"we" doesn't automatically include everyone. Calling it fraud, whether you don't intend it in the criminal sense or not, automatically elevates it to something worse than it is. Hence I suppose the piling in.

But then "we" should probably pile in on just about every celeb, scour their Wikipedia entries and check their educational records, because I would think an awful lot of them will have constructed very carefully crafted, but quite false images over the years.

@PurplePansy05

Righttt ok...coming back to the normal discussion and not feeding the troll...

She's announced she'll be taking a break from SM. This is a welcome announcement and I think it will do her good. I suspect she'll return in the future and it will be interesting to see how she presents herself then. A reinvented version?

Italian?

Sorry couldn’t resist.

I don't know who Alexandra Grant is - other than that she's Keanu's girlfriend who has grey hair - but I know there's a very dedicated and frightening gang of "tinhats" (people who obsessively hate and stalk wives/girlfriends of male celebrities - the Benedict Cumberbatch loons who are convinced his wife is a Satanist human trafficker blackmailing him to pretend they have three kids are probably the best known) who have become fixated with her and with the idea that they need to "save" Keanu from her.

It's pretty weird how invested one poster is in turning a thread about HB into a sustained attack on some random other woman. I guess I'm contributing to that derailing, sorry.

Re: HB, I can't believe that after 25 pages we've still got posts saying, "But she did grow up in Spain so it's not really a lie..." that IS the lie.

@IcedPurple I think she'll recover by way of playing a victim. This fake PR strategy would appeal to some posters on this thread and I suspect to a number of other blindsided instagrammers. But I do wonder if she'll continue with the Spanish vibe, I think not because it will no longer benefit her financially.

Who knows, she might seek help IRL but I do think she won't last too long without plastering her life over SM, which is quite sad.

@LittleBearPad

I think @greenlandthemovie is trying to worry people into not expressing their own opinion on this news story. Very keen to drop a legal angle into every comment ie. you've not yet been warned this is defamatory but be careful as that may happen.

That could be deemed "bullying" in and of itself. Not saying it is, but Greenland is very keen to tell others that they are being a bully.

Just in case that doesn't work, we're told that everyone is not being very "nice" and when called out on that explains that it is elsewhere on the internet, not here.

This is a discussion about the pitfalls of living your life and making money by selling your "personal" life.

An instgrammer who puts every aspect of their life out for public scrutiny has been found out in a very embarrassing way - speaking Spanish in US comes with much more connotations than here in Europe and is more akin to pretending to be mixed race.

To be clear: it is not defamatory to say someone lying about where they were born is untrue when it IS untrue. Hope that helps dispel the "legal" worry that Greenland seems intent on putting into everyone's mind.

@Fizzydrinks123 You're spot on. I suspect most (if not all?) of us on this thread are sufficiently intelligent to recognise what you've eloquently put in your post and thus take no notice of certain misconceived comments

@purplepanso05 - indeed yes, but more for greenland to get to "know thyself" before dishing out the awards for the "most scurrilous" comment on a thread....

@GreenlandTheMovie you’re being pedantic.

Do check the 2nd definition of fraud, alongside plenty of synonyms for your convenience, if you’re truly struggling to understand what others mean by fraud in this context.

It isn’t elevating this to be worse than what it is, it’s accurately calling a spade, a spade. How is she not an impostor or deceitful?

Exactly.

And it's pretty damn rich to accuse people of bullying and defamation for pointing out that a proven liar is a liar, and in practically the same breath accuse other celeb/celeb-adjacent women of being pathological liars and criminal fraudsters with master plans who use legal teams to scour and censor the Internet.

(And really on what bizarro alternate reality is Meghan Markle controlling the media/Internet to ensure nothing negative is ever said or written about her?)

Just in case that doesn't work, we're told that everyone is not being very "nice" and when called out on that explains that it is elsewhere on the internet, not here.

Ironically the poster herself isn't being very 'nice' and is being extremely aggressive towards posters who don't share her peer-reviewed opinions.

The whole 'be kind' thing is passive-aggressive nonsense in any case, designed to protect snowflake celebrities from the consequences of their own actions. If you don't want to get called out on faking an 'exotic' Spanish persona, well then, don't fake an 'exotic' Spanish persona.

Yes Fizzydrinks but it is potentially defamatory to accuse someone of fraud when they don't meet the criminal standard for fraud. So yes, accusing them of making up a lie about being born in Mallorca is not of course defamatory. Or if Hillaria had claimed to have done past work for specific organisations that she hadn't done.

If course, if you think someone genuinely has committed fraud, then I would feel free to say it. And on mumsnet its just that the thread would be taken down rather than someone sued for defamation or court orders to give up posters' identities (other than in that one past incident...)

But I personally don't think this meets the definition of fraud, its something less and I wouldn't put her in the same category as someone who blatantly lies about specific connections with specific businesses or people.

I'm not saying she hasn't been dishonest/misleading though, I just think the level of condemnation and scrutiny is a bit out of proportion compared to others who have done, and continue to do, much worse.

@GreenlandTheMovie “fraud” has an ordinary meaning as well as a legal definition.

One of the top reddit comments- no one expects the Spanish Appropriation

@GreenlandTheMovie You are now aware that “fraud” has multiple definitions and the word perfectly describes her deceptive actions here.

No one said she must be arrested or legal action must be undertaken for criminal fraud, therefore 99% of your posts are irrelevant. You are actually the one that’s being hyperbolic, in fact you’re the one that mentioned Epstein in comparison....

Your posts are a hypocritical mess. Really struggling to understand your angle here, at this point you’re waffling for the sake of it. Why are you trying to distract from the pertinent issue at hand?

[quote Vitaminsss]@GreenlandTheMovie You are now aware that “fraud” has multiple definitions and the word perfectly describes her deceptive actions here.

No one said she must be arrested or legal action must be undertaken for criminal fraud, therefore 99% of your posts are irrelevant. You are actually the one that’s being hyperbolic, in fact you’re the one that mentioned Epstein in comparison....

Your posts are a hypocritical mess. Really struggling to understand your angle here, at this point you’re waffling for the sake of it. Why are you trying to distract from the pertinent issue at hand?[/quote]
No, I'm only more aware than ever that there's a little cohort of overgrown bitchy schoolgirls on here who self congratulate themselves on self admittedly "mocking" other women. It's not very... aspirational and it's a bit too regressive for me, so thanks, but no thanks.

What a strange hobby! I feel embarrassed for you. Time to trawl through some past posts and misquote them again, or shall we be turning our attention to someone new today?