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AIBU?

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To expect dog walkers to keep their giant dogs on leash around other peiple

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 12:52

I am still quite sick after seeing a dog, nearly my DC’s size, running after my DC knocking them to the ground and running over them.
DC is covered in mud. I was taking a picture of them running to me and it happened in a flash. I shouted at the dog owner who something like put your own children on leash.
Why the hell people don’t keep such huge dogs and then let them off leash in a public park around children? DV is covered in mud, shivering and complaining that their leg hurts where it hit a rock and that they are scared of dogs. I wish I had done more but don’t know what else I could have done.
AIBU in feeling bloody furious?

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Swaddlemeinplants · 27/12/2020 21:34

However, surely it's very important to make sure that those dogs are effectively under control when off lead?
Mine is!
I would suggest that actually overall, there are more ‘good’ owners around than bad, despite what mumsnet would have you believe.

Girlyracer · 27/12/2020 21:36

With you OP. Fucking animals should be on a lead.

mbosnz · 27/12/2020 21:38

I'm sure yours is! What I'm trying to point out, and no, this is not just from Mumsnetiverse, but also from personal observation of which I have quite a lot, looking out on a very well frequented by dogs and humans common, that there's an awful lot of 'bad' owners, that ultimately are spoiling it for the 'good'.

Yeahnahmum · 27/12/2020 21:43

Giant dog would mean great dane
So you are probably just referring to a labrador. And you dont mention your kids age even when asked, but considering it can shower by itself it isnt a super young kid. And if it wasnt scared of dogs before "being knocked by accident whilst running" is not going to make them scared unless you overeacted to the whole thing.

Yes yes dogs SHOULD be under control. But this seems like nothing more than an accident being blown out of proportion

cantdothisnow1 · 27/12/2020 21:43

And surely it's not too hard to understand that those idiots who don't have their dogs under effective control when off lead, who bully and bluster and make excuses when their dogs negatively impact on others around them, they're the ones who are creating the issues and problems for all dog owners and people who have to reluctantly deal with their dogs?

As a dog owner I completely agree and would support enforcement of existing laws to ensure that out of control dogs are kept on leads.

I let my dog off lead, when appropriate, she's a golden retriever and needs at least an hour running a day. I take her to a place that pre- covid only dog walkers went to. Now there are sometimes families too. If I see young children I slip her lead on because it's the responsible thing to do. She's been trained not to jump up but she is a dog and therefore is not 100% trustworthy. She wouldn't hurt a child but could knock one over. I'm a parent as well as a dog owner so I respectful of families and that not everyone likes dogs.

I actively avoid parks because it is not the best place to exercise a dog. Too many distractions. When I do go she is kept on a lead. Some dogs in parks are able to be off lead. My old dog was fine off lead, but not as a puppy.

I know that there are ignorant dog owners. You come across them as a dog walker, when you occasionally see aggressive dogs off the lead.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 21:47

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

YANBU but I can't believe your first thought was to post about it on mn while your ds was still covered in mud, shivering and in pain. Seriously, put the phone down and look after your child, then post about it later.

Thanks to the history I have with Mumsnet, this is the first place that comes to my mind. I brought things under control before posting here. acted normal around my child, tried to take them to the playground and tried to act like nothing happened. When they insisted on going home, I took them back home and then posted here. DC is old enough to take a shower, change and dress. I posted here because I knew I should do something but couldn’t figure out what. Mumsnet is my go-to place for everything from broken door lock to moronic dog owners and I am quite happy and a better person for it. You satisfied now?

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mbosnz · 27/12/2020 21:47

You're a totally responsible dogowner can'tdothisnow1, and you're looking after your dog as well as others in your community. I don't want more enforcement, just superficial or otherwise, for dogs. I do think though, that irresponsible ownership and control of dogs by ignorant owners is on the uptake, and it's not okay to just expect those that don't want to interact with dogs to put up with having them foisted upon them.

Blackitty · 27/12/2020 21:49

I voted yabu but only because I don’t think it matters how big a dog is. If it’s not trained and kept under control then it shouldn’t be off lead. End of.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 21:53

@Yeahnahmum

Giant dog would mean great dane So you are probably just referring to a labrador. And you dont mention your kids age even when asked, but considering it can shower by itself it isnt a super young kid. And if it wasnt scared of dogs before "being knocked by accident whilst running" is not going to make them scared unless you overeacted to the whole thing.

Yes yes dogs SHOULD be under control. But this seems like nothing more than an accident being blown out of proportion

I must have missed it. DC is 6 and taller for age. And I have said already that I don’t want to scare them off dogs so I tried to act normal as much as I could. Like previous posters have said, we have seen a significant increase in dog ownership in our area, probably due to the lockdown. I don’t want them to get scared of animals forever and did my best there. But it doesn’t mean I am not scared. It’s the forth time and I have had enough.

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mbosnz · 27/12/2020 21:55

Can anyone here remember being six years old and commensurately a shortarse? For me, a lab' would have been a giant dog, I was a tiddler!

cantdothisnow1 · 27/12/2020 21:59

@mbosnz

Can anyone here remember being six years old and commensurately a shortarse? For me, a lab' would have been a giant dog, I was a tiddler!

Yes it would. My Golden Retriever is massive next to small children and she's strong. She could easily accidentally knock a small child over and she can overpower my 11 year old daughter who isn't strong enough to walk her on the lead.

My niece is terrified of all dogs. I do feel sorry for her and other children or people who are scared of dogs. The fear is genuine, having a friendly dog lollop up to them won't help that kind of fear it makes it worse.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 22:00

I have posted rarities: I am not interested in dogs as pet (have had other pets but not dogs) and don’t know. As the picture is clear, I am sure that council/dog warden will be able to identify the dog type easily.

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Blackitty · 27/12/2020 22:04

I’m a dog owner. My dog has been attacked twice now. I would welcome a mandatory leash law. Dogs off lead only in designated places. Yes please.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 22:05

@mbosnz

Can anyone here remember being six years old and commensurately a shortarse? For me, a lab' would have been a giant dog, I was a tiddler!

Like others have said, even smaller dogs can make you trip and fall.

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mbosnz · 27/12/2020 22:12

Absolutely, smaller dogs can make you trip and fall. And be right little snappy buggers. I had a small terrier go for our bull mastiff's throat. Our bull mastiff was on the lead, and a complete moosh. The terrier was off the leash, and just went for her, and the owner seemed to think it was a hell of a joke. Bet they wouldn't have if she'd responded in kind.

katienana · 27/12/2020 22:16

As a dog owner I would feel awful if my dog did this. One of the reasons I wanted a small breed was to be able to keep under close control. We let her go off lead only when there are no distractions. Certainly not in a park. In fact I was bringing my dog and my 4 yer old back to the car, through the car park when an off lead dog ran up to mine, causing my 4 year old to get knocked over. fgs get dogs on leads in a bloody car park!

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 22:19

as a dog owner I would feel awful if my dog did this. One of the reasons I wanted a small breed was to be able to keep under close control.
On numerous occasions now, we have noticed dog owners who have a massive dog, leashed or not, that is strong enough to drag them with it at least. There is no way they will make it if the dog turns on them for some reason, let alone save anyone else if it is off the leash.

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QueenOfLabradors · 27/12/2020 22:31

Well this thread has gone more or less as I expected, some of the 100% anti-dog brigade have turned up as well as some of the 100% pro. Although most posters remain in the 'we all need to work together' middle ground, where most of us including OP are. Dogs (and other companion animals) are amazing, we need to ensure that the enormous therapeutic value that our companion animals bring doesn't get trashed just because some tit-heads are incapable of taking responsibility for their out of control dogs. I stick with my hope that after we've got through Covid we can start to address dog-owner licences.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 22:39

I stick with my hope that after we've got through Covid we can start to address dog-owner licences.
Can you please explain that a little? What kind of licenses are you talking about and what will they mean?

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puddled2 · 27/12/2020 22:39

All dogs should be on a lead in any public space ...none of this I have total recall on my dog bullshit ...seen it to many times that's they actually haven't

PinkPurpleFlowers · 27/12/2020 22:47

We have dogs, they are kept on a lead

None of our neighbours appear to keep theirs on leads, and ours are constantly being attacked.

I’m fed up with it.

One set of grandparents, even took their sons’ dog to the local field with no lead at all, as their 40+ son, said it didn’t need one.
It needed one, when it attacked my dog and puppy, and my dog was so alarmed he slipped his collar.

All dogs should be on leads in my opinion, all the time

PinkPurpleFlowers · 27/12/2020 22:48

All of the time, when outdoors, with other people

PinkPurpleFlowers · 27/12/2020 22:48

@puddled2

All dogs should be on a lead in any public space ...none of this I have total recall on my dog bullshit ...seen it to many times that's they actually haven't

This

k1233 · 27/12/2020 23:35

For those asking how on leash laws work, IME they are common in Australia. The local councils designate spaces as off leash. These can be beaches, tracts of land or dedicated fenced off leash dog parks. Near me the dog parks are fantastic and have a small dog park for dogs below knee height and puppies; and a big dog park for larger dogs or dogs like staffies (the staffies prefer playing with bigger dogs).

Unfortunately, the majority of dog owners do not train their dogs and let them behave inappropriately ie run up to people and dogs without warning. I used to be impartial to this until my staffy was attacked by a wolf hound. I had to haul the mongrel thing off him. I was utterly furious. The council were magnificent. My call was answered at 6:45 am, and the dog inspector came to my place while we were at the vets (about 8am). By the time I'd gotten back he'd seen the witness (who was amazed I managed to get it off my dog) and seen the owner and dog. The dog was declared dangerous and owners opted to PTS instead of follow the strict requirements for dangerous dogs. My dog had done nothing wrong. He was on lead and we were walking along minding our own business. He was fully reliable off lead, but local laws required him to be on lead.

Since then I am your worse nightmare if your off leash dog runs up to my dog. I've had people say yours looks friendly. It is, it's me you've got to worry about!

Went off my nut at an off leash dog so far from it's owner I couldn't even see her. I've got a westie these days and small white fluffies are pretty much dog bait, so I am super protective of him. When the owner appeared I was yelling so loudy at her people across the park were looking. The absolute irony of the situation, as I told her, was if she wanted to have her dog off lead, there's an off lead park and it was right on the other side of the fence we were standing next to! (I may have said it's right fucking there as I pointed at it)

If I were you, I'd report. Hopefully the dogs are known to the warden.

Yohoheaveho · 27/12/2020 23:41

@Blackitty

I’m a dog owner. My dog has been attacked twice now. I would welcome a mandatory leash law. Dogs off lead only in designated places. Yes please.

There is more support for this sort of thing than one might think!

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