To expect dog walkers to keep their giant dogs on leash around other peiple

[Thewithesarehere]

I am still quite sick after seeing a dog, nearly my DC’s size, running after my DC knocking them to the ground and running over them.
DC is covered in mud. I was taking a picture of them running to me and it happened in a flash. I shouted at the dog owner who something like put your own children on leash.
Why the hell people don’t keep such huge dogs and then let them off leash in a public park around children? DV is covered in mud, shivering and complaining that their leg hurts where it hit a rock and that they are scared of dogs. I wish I had done more but don’t know what else I could have done.
AIBU in feeling bloody furious?

@Swaddlemeinplants it's totally legal to defend yourself from being attacked. You can legally defend yourself using a stick against a person, let alone a dog. It's all about whether your response was proportionate and whether your perception of the threat was reasonable.

I’ve read plenty. But the bottom line is people wouldn’t be pissed off if dogs were kept under control. Which is the law anyway
You are not the person I thought you were then.
Not if you have no comment regarding the vile suggestions here to kick dogs, hit dogs, stone dogs, spray with them with pepper...
It’s absolutely repugnant and for someone who is on virtually every dog thread to not call it out, disappointing.

@Thewithesarehere you are making things up now. No-one has threatened violence with a knife.

This thread is completely out of hand and I can't believe MN haven't zapped it yet.

@Swaddlemeinplants

I have no intention of hitting or harming any dog I carry a stick to help me feel safe in the knowledge that I can fend off any dogs which come to close to me Doesn’t change the fact that if a dog does come too close for your liking and you do use it, if the owner reports you are likely to find yourself in trouble.

How many times do I have to explain to you that if YOUR dog is too close to someone for THEIR liking, then your dog is out of control! Your dog isn’t allowed to jump, bowl over, hit, or chew other people and their belongings or it is considered out of control as per the government website posted upthread. As per that website, a farm owner is perfectly within their rights to shoot a dog if they worry it might hurt their livestock. FFS, my children are more than livestock and no one is shooting your dog. It is you who is threatening a knife.

[quote Lockheart]@Thewithesarehere you are making things up now. No-one has threatened violence with a knife.

This thread is completely out of hand and I can't believe MN haven't zapped it yet.[/quote]
We have legal carry knives here, but despite being ‘legal’ if a policeman stops you you better hope you have a damn good reason for carrying it else you are in a great deal of trouble.
This is what they posted. And based on their earlier posts, there is constantly an undertone of ‘you touch my out of control dog and then see what I do’. Please go back read all their posts.

I think a lot of police and the general public would be sympathetic to a parent over-reacting when protecting a child from a dog they saw as threatening, even if the owner said it wasn’t.
If it’s galloping towards you, then playfully snatching a sandwich out of a hand, or merrily leaping up to lick you...if it’s that close and is aggressive, it’s too late to prevent a bite or an assault.
So parents may well choose to do something before it gets that close.
You don’t think that’s understandable?

@Swaddlemeinplants

I’ve read plenty. But the bottom line is people wouldn’t be pissed off if dogs were kept under control. Which is the law anyway You are not the person I thought you were then. Not if you have no comment regarding the vile suggestions here to kick dogs, hit dogs, stone dogs, spray with them with pepper... It’s absolutely repugnant and for someone who is on virtually every dog thread to not call it out, disappointing.

Now you are making things up. I repeatedly posted that pepper spray can kill a dog. You really do need to stop posting here.

@Thewithesarehere a dog is not out of control if it is simply too close for your liking. Apart from anything else, your idea of too close is entirely subjective and could be 2m or 200m. A dog is not out of control for walking past you on a path. A dog is not out of control for running past you on a path.

The funny thing is that people who are frightened of dogs or who are afraid of them/children getting hurt are saying if the dog, off the lead, approaches them and they are afraid they will use some sort of force to scare it away (how effective this it may be is another thing). They are not saying they will seek out dogs to attack, or approach a dog minding it's own business and throw stones at it.
The dog owners who are disgusted need not worry as they say they have 100% control of their dog off the lead all of the time and can say without a shadow of a doubt their dog will not knock over a child nor will they allow their dog to run up uninvited to say hello to everyone and their mother in the park. Your dog is fine

[quote Lockheart]@Thewithesarehere a dog is not out of control if it is simply too close for your liking. Apart from anything else, your idea of too close is entirely subjective and could be 2m or 200m. A dog is not out of control for walking past you on a path. A dog is not out of control for running past you on a path.[/quote]
My idea of too close is a dog jumping and hitting my child or chewing my dress and eating my food. Don’t be ridiculous .

How many times do I have to explain to you that if YOUR dog is too close to someone for THEIR liking, then your dog is out of control!
But not dangerously out of control, so nothing would be done.

Your dog isn’t allowed to jump, bowl over, hit, or chew other people and their belongings or it is considered out of control as per the government website posted upthread
It is highly unlikely police would consider a friendly dog accidentally knocking someone as dangerously out of control and you are ignoring the clear law that states it is illegal to frighten or harm a dog..

As per that website, a farm owner is perfectly within their rights to shoot a dog if they worry it might hurt their livestock.
FFS, my children are more than livestock and no one is shooting your dog
Because mauling sheep is totally the same as accidentally knocking over kids or god forbid, having the nerve to just be too close (but not interacting at all) to them

It is you who is threatening a knife
What the actual fuck.
I have done NOTHING of the sort!

@Thewithesarehere you posted at 13.44 that if a dog is too close for someone's liking then it is out of control. When I point out that is patently incorrect, you then change your argument and call me ridiculous.

I think you need to step away from the thread.

We have legal carry knives here, but despite being ‘legal’ if a policeman stops you you better hope you have a damn good reason for carrying it else you are in a great deal of trouble
I was using it as an example of how legal isn’t necessarily legal.

based on their earlier posts, there is constantly an undertone of ‘you touch my out of control dog and then see what I do’. Please go back read all their posts
Rich considering it’s you hell bent on spraying and smacking dogs too close for your comfort.
You need to read my posts more thoroughly.
Anyone would respond to someone hitting their dog aggressively

@Swaddlemeinplants

We have legal carry knives here, but despite being ‘legal’ if a policeman stops you you better hope you have a damn good reason for carrying it else you are in a great deal of trouble I was using it as an example of how legal isn’t necessarily legal.

based on their earlier posts, there is constantly an undertone of ‘you touch my out of control dog and then see what I do’. Please go back read all their posts
Rich considering it’s you hell bent on spraying and smacking dogs too close for your comfort.
You need to read my posts more thoroughly.
Anyone would respond to someone hitting their dog aggressively

This thread is a complete bunfight with threats, name calling and mentions of violence Cannot be in the spirit of the site

Good afternoon, all.
We have had a lot of reports about this thread. We know it's a very emotive subject but can we please ask that everyone takes a breath and posts civilly?
If we have any more posts which break our Talk Guidelines, we'll have to take the thread down.
Thank you.

[quote Lockheart]@Thewithesarehere you posted at 13.44 that if a dog is too close for someone's liking then it is out of control. When I point out that is patently incorrect, you then change your argument and call me ridiculous.

I think you need to step away from the thread.[/quote]
I wrote that and then expanded it by explaining what it means for me. I don’t any right to define ‘too close’ for anyone else. In my second post, I have simply given examples of what is my ‘too close’. All of that has happened in real life to me by the way. I am not going to dictate to others what their too close is. But if your dog is chewing at my stuff and my child is hurt, that is my ‘too close’ and I don’t think you would disagree with that.

@Swaddlemeinplants if I was really so afraid that your dog was about to attack me or my children that I whacked it with a stick, I'm hardly going to be put off by knowing you wouldnt like it. As for you calling the police, I'd welcome it and would do my damndest to see you prosecuted.

Cannot be in the spirit of the site
It’s not and I reported it long ago.
And yes I understand it’s partly me arguing but I’m not having absolute lies like me being a violent person and advocating knife crime going unchallenged.

I hope MN does pull it.

we have any more posts which break our Talk Guidelines, we'll have to take the thread down
Nice that you you have your priorities in order and support the calling for abuse of animals 👍
Unbelievable.

@KimMumsnet

Good afternoon, all. We have had a lot of reports about this thread. We know it's a very emotive subject but can we please ask that everyone takes a breath and posts civilly? If we have any more posts which break our Talk Guidelines, we'll have to take the thread down. Thank you.

But this is exactly what they trying to achieve ! Their posts are increasingly inflammatory to achieve this. Hope you consider this. Thanks!

God almighty I’m so bored of these threads. Every fucking week.

A dog knocked over a child and they got a bit muddy, yes that was out of order. OP MASSIVE Pearl clutch I’m going to call The Police, NATO and the UN. Little Johnny’s got PTSD and was torn to shreds by the hounds of hell.

Yes it was out of order but for the sake of fuck, a little proportion, please!

Note to self - Don’t click on anymore dog threads.....

if I was really so afraid that your dog was about to attack me or my children that I whacked it with a stick, I'm hardly going to be put off by knowing you wouldnt like it
The suggestions have been assaulting dogs ‘too close’, not attacking.
Big difference

How many times do I have to explain to you that if YOUR dog is too close to someone for THEIR liking, then your dog is out of control

How is a dog owner supposed to know the distance at which a dog becomes "too close to someone for THEIR liking"? My ex-SIL is unhappy if a dog is in the same postcode, while I wouldn't care if it had its paws on my chest while licking my face.

@Thewithesarehere the only inflammatory posts are coming from you and your supporters.

Posters have suggested carrying stones to throw, advocated kicking animals, advocated illegal (and yes, legal as well) sprays, and have generally been extremely unpleasant and posted unecessarily graphic descriptions of hypothetical scenarios.

You have then accused posters who pull you up on this behaviour of threatening violence with a knife.

The thread is the way it is because of you and those who support you.

I agree OP.