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Husband lied about work pay changes

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BookThief2020 · 22/12/2020 22:11

Need to get some perspectives on this (NC to avoid being identified).

My husband was told at the beginning of lockdown that his work were temporarily reducing all salaries by 10% but this would all eventually be paid back (ie it was just to prevent cashflow issues - everyone would eventually go back to normal salaries and the deductions be paid back on top).

When it got to the autumn, I asked him if they had said when they might be stopping the 10% deductions as (at the time) times were getting back to normal. He said he would check.

A few weeks ago, I asked again and he said he had checked a few weeks previously and his work had said the wages had been returned to normal in September and they had also paid him a lump sum to make up for the previous deductions. I asked him why he hadn’t mentioned that to me before and he got all funny and slightly guilty but tried to laugh it off.

Tonight, when we were sorting out some financial admin, it emerged that actually, when he had asked, they had told him that his wage had never been decreased in the first place (ie they never implemented the 10% cut in the end). I asked him why he had said something different before and he again did the weird guilty laugh thing and said he didn’t know and that I could go through his bank account if I wanted.

I said I had no desire to but couldn’t understand why he would tell such a pointless lie, and that I didn’t feel comfortable with the fact that he could look me in the eye and lie to me. I asked if he felt he’d been wrong to lie, and he said that he didn’t think it was a big deal as the financial position was still the same as it would have been anyway.

The money part isn’t the issue (as overall, his wage was always going to be topped back up to normal anyway) but I don’t like the fact that he made up a lie with details (ie them paying him the lump sum) and doesn’t see any issue with that.

Appreciate it may seem minor and boring but have found the whole thing a bit upsetting.

AIBU?

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BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 08:37

Definitely not a gambler.

@Sinful8, on letting it go if he’d apologised - I genuinely would have. I still would have been inwardly annoyed though, but if he said sorry, there would be no point in dragging in out as he can’t turn back time.

For those asking about the money, he was about to sort the transfer out to make up for the lower amounts he’s been paying yesterday (I was literally with him as he was logging onto his account) - but it’s true that I’ve had to chase that up and I don’t know when he would have sorted if I hadn’t, which does mean he would have been benefitting financially.

My instinct is that was disorganisation, not scheming. He’s not a gambler at all, and we are normally very open about finances, which is why this whole thing is odd.

For me, it really is about him making up a lie (in my view, to save face) and continuing to argue that it was fine for him to do so.

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Aprilx · 23/12/2020 08:44

I think you are being weird OP, demanding apologies for a muddle over finances and I don’t for a minute think you would forget about it. I also think the way you both manage money is strange, you are married, it is just joint bills. All this paying a proportion is batshit to me.

Nottherealslimshady · 23/12/2020 08:48

@BookThief2020

I honestly don’t think he’s hiding anything financial. I think he was embarrassed that he wasn’t on top of his finances enough to notice that his wage never actually changed, and lied to cover it up.
I think you're right with this. Some people are physically incapable of saying "I was wrong"

I hate liars though, just untrustworthy.

BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 08:50

Fair enough. Re paying a proportion, it works for us as I earn significantly more. If we split it 50/50, my husband would have very little left after bills etc and I would have quite a lot, which didn’t seem fair. It works for us but different strokes for different folks.

And I’m not asking him to apologise for the financial confusion, I’m upset that he made up a lie.

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BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 08:51

@Nottherealslimshady I think you are right - he has an issue generally saying “I was wrong”.

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Holligolightly · 23/12/2020 09:08

My husbands dose things like this. He is a compulsive liar. I use to shrug things off and ignore stuff because I really couldn’t see the point in some of the things he lied about. He would also just respond and say the first thing that came into his head or what he thought I wanted to hear.

Things got bad a few years ago when his little lies turned into a really big lie that effected us financially and almost ended us.

It turned out he was suffering from depression and anxiety, I suspect brought on from the fact he’d dug himself a great bug hole that was destroying our lives. He ended up in counselling and on antidepressants.

Things are so much better now but he still has to stop himself from that instant need to just come out and say something that isn’t true. When I ask him things and I know he’s about to just say what he thinks I want to hear, I actually stop him and say think about what your going to say.

We are at a place we’re I very rarely doubt or question him but it took him admitting he had a problem and working very hard to gain my trust again.

AlwaysCheddar · 23/12/2020 09:18

Your dh is a bit fucked up!

AuditAngel · 23/12/2020 09:24

At the beginning of lockdown I was made to take a 20% pay reduction, for 3 months. In theory this was voluntary, but I know people who didn’t agree to do it were put under immense pressure. I took the reduction, although not happy about it. Over lockdown I worked more hours than ever, despite us being told we should reduce our working hours by the same 20%.

DH never normally sees how much i work, but because he was furloughed he noticed.

He recently moaned about the reduction, but i said it had only been for the three months, the I was sure I’d told him it was back to normal

This is not the same as lying now

AuditAngel · 23/12/2020 09:27

And DH does not know my salary, does not know I got a £15k rise last year as he would stop working and expect me to keep him.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 23/12/2020 09:29

You sound very insistent and relentless.

Repeatedly asking him about farting...when I was brought up no one would have expected to have to admit to Something so embarrassing, but you are at him ‘repeatedly’ until he admits it.

It doesn’t seem as if he was planning to rip you off, just took what his employer said at face value, didn’t analyse his payslip / bank account, but true to form you were on at him.

I’m not saying it’s good or OK that he isn’t just easily open, but I think it worth looking at the dynamic as a whole. And how far he feels he must be accountable to you over every detail.

BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 09:31

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

Ha, trust me, my husband is not embarrassed by farting - which again makes the lie so pointless, and so frustrating. It’s just lying for lying’s sake.

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RainingBatsAndFrogs · 23/12/2020 09:37

OP: when a PP said ‘you’re married, surely joint bills!’ You interpreted that to mean your DH would have no spending money. I strongly suspect that ‘joint bills’ also means ‘joint spending money’.

I agree with you that it is different strokes etc, but I think your inference was interesting.

If a higher earner man expected 50% bills from his DW but did not pool his higher earnings he would be castigated on MN. It seem to didn’t occur to you that joint means really joint!

Calmandmeasured1 · 23/12/2020 09:37

I think you are right - he has an issue generally saying “I was wrong”.
But he also likes about silly things like whether he farted. I think he is a compulsive liar and untrustworthy.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 23/12/2020 09:38

OP, cross posted. OK, sorry if I am on the wrong track.

Ohalrightthen · 23/12/2020 09:44

@Aprilx

I think you are being weird OP, demanding apologies for a muddle over finances and I don’t for a minute think you would forget about it. I also think the way you both manage money is strange, you are married, it is just joint bills. All this paying a proportion is batshit to me.
It wasn't a muddle, it was a lie.

And surely the proportional thing makes perfect sense? If your bills are say £1000 a month, and one of you makes £1200 and the other makes £600, it's hardly fair for both to pay £500.

BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 09:49

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

I don’t understand the point about joint bills - sorry if it’s me being dim. I don’t expect 50% bills from my husband - that’s the point.

We pool our money together to pay bills but do so proportionally so eg I spend 40% of my wage on the mortgage and so does he - so overall, he pays in a lot less than I do.

We also put into joint savings and a joint spending account proportionally.

That means that we both have our own money to spend however we want without having to check in with the other person.

We previously (long ago) split bills 50/50 (and joint spending too) but it left my DH with no money of his own to do his own thing with.

We both are happy with the arrangement as it means we are both left with the same proportion of our wage to enjoy individually at the end of the month once the bills and joint spending (shopping, petrol for the car etc) are sorted.

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BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 09:50

@Ohalrightthen

You have explained it much more succinctly than me!

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Heyahun · 23/12/2020 09:51

I dunno - maybe he actually didn’t notice !! Like depends how much he earns I guess - but 10% less a month could be just 150less each month / but maybe it’s a big drop if he earns more.

Some people don’t check their pay against t for payslip each month or aren’t actually on top of what they actually earn monthly (weird to be like that of course - I know exactly what I should be earning and always double check)

It could be an honest mistake!

But yeah maybe it’s a lie! But surely it’s sorted out now? Holding a grudge and keeping arguing about it seems a bit pointless tbh

MrsBobDylan · 23/12/2020 10:00

Well, he just earn a fuck tonne if he doesn't look at his payslips and not notice he isn't 10% down and hasn't been for months. Nicer problems and all that...

IsadoraDuncanDonuts · 23/12/2020 10:08

Perhaps the OP’s husband just wanted to have a little extra money each month? Doesn’t immediately mean he has a gambling habit. And of course he shouldn’t have lied, obviously, but perhaps it gave him a sneaky feeling of being a bit more in control?

Maybe there’s a bit of resentment there, whether conscious or not. No-one likes being a lower earner, and men in particular are programmed to feel they should earn more.

notdaddycool · 23/12/2020 10:10

Let it go, he probably didn't check his bank statement - which I find odd, but it's not horiffic.

BookThief2020 · 23/12/2020 10:12

Sorry, I think I’m not explaining clearly.

I fully believe he didn’t realise he wasn’t actually receiving the 10% cut (@MrsBobDylan - he definitely doesn’t earn a tonne)

He asked his work when the cut would be ending, at which point they told him it had never happened.

He didn’t tell me he’d spoken to them or that they’d told him that.

Weeks later, I asked if work had ever gotten back to him and he said yes and then for some bizarre reason, lied and said that they had told him the 10% cut had ended in September and they would get a lump sum back payment for the previous cuts over the April-September period.

I have no idea why he lied, as financially it made no difference. Either way, the net result was him getting his full way from April to now.

I should add that he referenced the ‘lump sum’ again in more than one subsequent conversation - it wasn’t just that one off.

I think the reason it doesn’t make sense as it’s such a pointless lie - it’s not to gain money from me or anything like that.

But I still don’t like the fact that my husband can look me in the eye and lie, and think that’s fine.

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NotOfThisWorld · 23/12/2020 10:14

YANBU I wouldn't be happy. It would be one thing if he didn't notice the pay or just forgot to tell you but to make up a lie with specifics straight to your face is just bloody weird. Is he perhaps embarrassed that he didn't notice? Either way I'd want him to just bloody tell me the truth.

BibbityBobbityBellend · 23/12/2020 10:15

If I wasn't an only child I would think @MrsDeadlock was a sibling. I was dragged up in a white lie household. DP is as honest as they come and has taught me this isn't normal but it is hard to change the habit of a lifetime.

It sounds as though he told you something as fact when it was first mentioned and thought it would help for him to save the difference. Does he show issues with you being the higher earner? My DP is a higher earner and finds it easy to save. I don't and while I wouldn't do what he has done I can see why he may wish to gather a bit extra.

I would raise it with him gently, any sign of anger or a negative emotion may mean he lies again. I would say I just want to hear the truth to help me understand.

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 23/12/2020 10:16

My now exh got a new job. Lied about his wage for about 9 months.
I threw him out and filed for divorce..
Not the same circumstances but lies none the less. Told him I could never believe a word that came out of his mouth again.

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