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Aibu to think he's using covid as an excuse

29 replies

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 15:33

I am divorced and have 2 dc from said marriage. I am forever trying to arrange time with ex to see kids. I am flexible with it and understanding. We live 45 mins apart, for the 2nd time he has been given the chance to have kids Christmas day overnight into boxing day. I told him months ago. He's messaged today saying he can't take them, last time he did this he told me xmas eve. He forever uses covid as an excuse not to see them yet manages to go to the gym numerous days a week. I feel like I'm being horrible but I am exhausted with the effort of it all. He won't agree to set visitation randomly goes 2 or 3 weeks with not so much as a text. I just want to do right by my kids so they have a good relationship with him but it feels like he just can't be arsed but won't say so. He came to see them Sunday at 2pm and was away before 5pm
Spent most of that time on his phone ignoring our dd. Sorry for the long post I am at my wits end and don't want to post on fb or anything .

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OrigamiOwl · 21/12/2020 15:38

You need to get a formal custody agreement in place.

pickingdaisies · 21/12/2020 15:39

So sorry, your poor kids. However, I think it's time to stop trying to wrangle him into being a better dad. Leave it to him to organise, your kids will do better if they are not constantly awaiting a visit and than being let down or disappointed because he cba. They need to establish a resilience and satisfaction with a life in which he has very little presence. Then if he does bother to turn up it will be a nice surprise.

pickingdaisies · 21/12/2020 15:40

Also agree with origami

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 21/12/2020 15:42

OP leave it to him to make the suggestions and let you know when he can see them. You will likely find he wont which is sad for the kids but you shouldn't have to keep pushing him to see his own flesh and blood. Have a lovely xmas with your children x

TheMandalorian · 21/12/2020 15:44

I'm sorry but he is just not interested. You need to take care of yourself and be a bit selfish here. It will not be healthy for your child/ren to be messed about by him either.
Either formalise custody arrangements or set your foot down.
I expect he will have less and less contact and flake out on them frequently.
I would leave the ball in his court. Perhaps send an email or letter suggesting he sees them on certain days and times convenient to you.
If he doesn't respond or claims you are not facilitating contact you can produce these communications as evidence if required.
This is not your responsibility.

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 15:55

Thank you for the responses, I had previously mentioned to him that he may need to go through the courts in order to hash out a proper custody arrangement and his response was "i won't fork out another single penny" I think he's too narcissistic to admit he doesnt care. He wants to be viewed as a great dad. I am very lucky to have a supportive partner who is probably more of a dad to my kids than their own father. I just find it hard to understand why he wouldn't make an effort to see them cos they are fantastic kids. His whole family essentially cut me off when we split and won't see the kids unless he takes them as they don't want to deal with me. For a bit of background he was an abusive a-hole and they knew he hit me but I'm the bad guy no matter what I do or say. I felt the need for a rant thank you all

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Ilikewinter · 21/12/2020 16:07

You need to stop making any effort, cut contact send no messages, let him do all the running. How old are your dc?.....once they get to 10ish they will soon work out that their dad is unreliable and isnt arsed about them.

Oldbutstillgotit · 21/12/2020 16:11

I went through this 30 years ago with my ex . At first I tried to encourage a relationship but he wasn’t interested other than to complain to DC about me or quiz them about what I was doing .
He had a court order but, sadly, you can’t force someone to parent even with one.
When he remarried , all contact stopped .
Adult DC rarely have contact with him now .

lyralalala · 21/12/2020 16:11

Stop making the effort. If he wants to see them he can get in touch with you.

It doesn’t generally do children any good to spend time with a parent that isn’t interested in them, in fact it can do harm.

Let him make the effort.

Also don’t waste your time getting a formal arrangement because that doesn’t mean he’ll see them. My ex spent a considerable sum of money getting a court order that said I had to make our girls available to him EOW and alternate Wednesdays. He still didn’t see them any more than he did before, it just gave him power and control over our lives EOW until I eventually (after 4 years) got the order changed

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 16:12

6 and 9, its awful as they always get so excited to see him. I am no longer going to chase him, if he wants to see them he can

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unicornsarereal72 · 21/12/2020 16:56

I did this for 2 years then decided I wasn't going to do it anymore. I just say to the kids I don't know. They don't really ask.

You could set a formal court agreement but it isnt enforceable. Just let him make the effort.

Completelyfrozen · 21/12/2020 18:50

Is he seeing them in your house? Your OP makes it sound like he sits on his bum for 3 hours while you facilitate contact at yours.
I wouldnt be letting him in. He picks the children up and returns them at an agreed time.

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 19:14

He has been for a time as he currently stays with his parents and they keep using covid as a reason for the kids not to go through to their home. He will sometimes take them out but often comes back early saying they wanted to come home. He has barely seen them this year and to be honest its been like that since the divorce. He works full time and uses that as a reason to not see them so I have said his family can see them anytime also and the response to that was they don't want to see me. I have bent over backwards to try and allow him and his family ample time with the kids but they seem to not care. My partners family on the other hand are wonderful with the kids.

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Yellownotblue · 21/12/2020 19:22

Sorry, I voted Yabu by mistake while trying to refresh. Please discount my vote. Your ex is vile to do this to his kids.

MaskingForIt · 21/12/2020 19:26

Feckless father is feckless. If it wasn’t Covid it would be something else. Time to stop dancing to his tune and get a formal arrangement in place.

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 20:01

No worries yellownotblue , yep it is always something and if i dare to question it im apparently being awful toward him.

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LouiseTrees · 21/12/2020 20:04

Why have you never just said to him that if he can’t be arsed he doesn’t need to come.

Rudolph98 · 21/12/2020 20:07

He’s a poop dad, sorry. Some dads have seen their kids regularly throughout lockdown, others have used it as an excuse.

My sons dad is very similar tbh. He wasn’t seeing him much before covid so lockdown was a perfect excuse. Yet he goes out and about!

I have no advice but you aren’t alone in this and he sounds useless.

He decided to see him last weekend. First time in weeks and he chose a weekend he was ill and then DS got ill and needed a covid test because he got a hacking cough 😭 (negative thankfully).

Feelinglost006 · 21/12/2020 20:10

In exactly the same boat. Been split up 2 1/2 almost 3 years. He’s never had them overnight (no space ) doesn’t even see them every week. Excuses with covid work and weekends away with new partner. Then wants to pitch up when it suits him. And if I say no for some reason I am accused of turning his kids against him or he texts our eldest telling him he wants to see them but I won’t let him. Stirring shit basically. He pays for them which is about the only thing in his favour. I sympathise and it’s drives me mad and makes me very angry as I cannot plan my own life

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 21/12/2020 20:12

@MaskingForIt

Feckless father is feckless. If it wasn’t Covid it would be something else. Time to stop dancing to his tune and get a formal arrangement in place.
This. And the kids will figure it out whatever you do.

You can’t make him have the relationship with them that you want them to have.

Continue to be reasonable about contact but don’t run yourself into the ground by doing all the leg work.

MyMushroomsInATimeSlip · 21/12/2020 20:19

Ex H chooses to see DS for a few hours once a fortnight so this is the time I make sure DS is available to see him. Ex H regularly cancels for rubbish reasons. When he does he waits two weeks for his next arranged time rather than us rearranging our plans. It means we know what we're doing at least 13 out of 14 days and ExH isn't messing us around. When DS was younger I always had a plan b to cheer him up/distract him when his dad cancels but now it's not needed so much

CakeRequired · 21/12/2020 20:30

Just stop contacting him. Tell him that it's up to him to get contact now and that he has to contact you, you won't be doing the running around anymore. Tell him that by text, if he ever tries to say you are withholding contact, just show that text and others where you tried to arrange contact, but he kept making excuses.

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 20:54

I have said to him if he's not bothered just to say so instead of the half arsed effort and he always says how much he loves them. He forgets he went away on holiday abroad for 3 weeks missing dd having a minor op in hospital my partner who at the time I had only been dating 1 month called to see how I was/how she was and he had never met her. Her dad text several days after asking if she was ok. I honestly wouldn't mind if he just didn't bother at all. The kids are happy as is but he can go weeks with nothing then randomly asks to see them. During an argument over his lack of involvement he stated he wouldn't see them again as he was going to Australia to live. That didn't materialise. He was abusive during the marriage so I believe he holds on and does the bare minimum so he can do shitty things like cancel last minute as he thinks it wrecks my plans. It only hurts the kids

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Graphista · 21/12/2020 20:55

Take it from one with experience - you can't make another person be a good parent and it's futile and damaging to try!

but it feels like he just can't be arsed but won't say so

This is exactly what's going on!

He won't come out and clearly say he doesn't want to be a parent any more as he would (rightly) be slated so he's doing this crappy man thing where he makes it more and more difficult for you then when you set boundaries (again rightly so) he'll be all "she's stopping me seeing my kids"

Don't be me

Don't play his game!

Don't pursue him for contact arrangements, at most let him know when the kids are available for contact ONCE and once only and then leave the ball completely in his court.

Basically "give him enough rope to bang himself"

In all likelihood he'll quietly and gradually see them and contact you about them less and less - sorry.

Court etc is imo simply delaying the inevitable (and can now be bloody expensive!) I did all that (back when legal aid was far more easily obtained), made no difference to his attitude. He said all the right things in court in terms of 'yes I want to be an involved and engaged parent' but his actions didn't reflect this and this resulted in repeated returns to court plus when he did have her he didn't care for her properly and I'm not talking niggly stuff but eg feeding her things without checking re her food allergies, not giving her meds (asthmatic), leaving her far too long between nappy changes, not dressing her appropriately for the weather (eg sandals in Nov in pouring rain!)

It's extremely common.

Don't get the kids hopes up, if possible don't even tell them if contact is arranged then if he flakes they don't even know. Don't do that thing so many of us (myself included) do of thinking "not speaking ill of the other parent" also means not letting them learn who he really is and seeing him honestly.

Keep it bright and breezy if it comes up 'well you know what he's like now what shall we do today/what shall we have for dinner?' Type thing - though if they want to discuss further let them without making them feel they have to place on a pedestal a parent that's letting them down!

It's tricky I know

Like you I thought I was doing right by dd bending over backwards and constantly chasing to enable contact to my and her detriment and even financial cost. Eventually dd "twigged" and caught her dad and I out in a lie where I'd covered for him cocking up and therefore missing an arranged contact.

She actually sat me down (one of those cute scenes where a kid behaves and talks as they think an adult does) and said she didn't want me to keep almost breaking my own back to facilitate his relationship with her.

Partly she could see the strain it was causing (even though I tried to hide it) partly as she was starting to see her dad honestly, partly as she wanted to give him the chance to show her he COULD step up - sadly wasn't the case, within a year he'd stopped even phoning her and had blocked me from all communication and had started blocking her from some too.

She was early high school stage at this point.

In hindsight it was clear when we first split and she was a pre-schooler that he wasn't arsed to make the effort, we were for the first few months literally within 10 mins walking distance of him and even then he'd be late, cancel last min or just not turn up etc

I should have let him go on his merry way then it would have been much easier on dd in the long term.

Having him fuck off out of her life just as she was entering her awkward teen years was the worst possible timing and even if I could have continued facilitating things i strongly suspect he'd have withdrawn at this point anyway - dd was entering that stage of no longer blindly accepting his excuses and he couldn't cope with that at all! Plus he had other stuff going on that was distracting him (marriage rocky, fell out with his mum etc)

Wow! Well as he was abusive to you I think they're better off without him in their lives anyway

@LouiseTrees Given he's aggressive type I suspect in order to not have him kick off!

Mooncake86 · 21/12/2020 21:16

Thanks @Graphista I suspect him to be the same with care needs ds has eczema/allergies and when he did have them the odd overnight would come back having not done creams/meds etc.
I think it will have to be a case of leaving it up to him to contact and the kids will unfortunately realise as they get older not to rely on him.

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