How long before something changes and we are rid of this incapable government?

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Boris Johnson isn’t fit to make the decisions that need made, Brexit needs to be postponed and we need a coalition.

The current chancellor, keir starmer....whoever else is competent.

Sadly there are those suffering from delusions who believe he is adequate. There are also the tactics of withdrawing the whip and effectively putting an MP out of a job at the next election (such as Julian Smith or before the election, Philip Hammond and about 20 others), which is bullying in my opinion.

I would support the Queen exercising the Royal Prerogative and dismissing him, though that is not going to happen.

4 more years to go😭😭😭and they’ve changed constituency boundaries now to make it harder for another party to get in.

I have no sympathy for anyone now upset with this government. Nothing in 2019 suggested they were in any way fit to run a fruit stall, let alone a country.

People were warned. People scoffed. People voted these arseholes in, and now people can enjoy the next 4 years of not being able to get rid of them. Right up to 2024 when they vote them back in - again.

But hey - at least we got Brexit done, and didn't get Corbyn, eh ?

Sadly we are stuck with a Tory government for the next 4, it won't be Boris Jonson for the next 4 years he will be slung overboard once Covid had been dealt with and a resolution to Brexit is decided, then Murdock will decide his predecessor (Gove or Rishi) and the selling of "this wasn't a Tory disaster it was a Boris Johnson disaster" they will then start to rebuild the Tory government and sadly all the Tory voters will buy it, many people will forget and will again... vote in the Tory party AGAIN.

It makes me feel sick saying that, but that's exactly what I think will happen. Which is why we need to hold them to account now, not in 3 years when it's all lost and hidden, NOW. Hold them to account for failing to lead, failing to deliver and failing to protect its people. They failed and are accountable for the highest death toll and worst economic impact of Covid and that's just to start with ,

Four years until the English can vote the Tories out. The rest of us can’t really do anything until you do (unless Nicola gets her way). For some reason the English love the Tories.

@Tigger001 you may sadly be right. Though it is a government of members of the Conservative Party that may be replaced by a Conservative government led by someone such as Rishi Sunak.

Conservatives traditionally supported businesses.
Conservatives traditionally respected the monarchy.
Conservatives traditionally respect marriage, indeed remember David Cameron's reasons for supporting same-sex marriage.
Conservatives traditionally disapproved of infidelity, even if the ideal was not always lived up to.

None of which applies to this government.

Looking at the alternatives, hopefully never.

@Crankley

Looking at the alternatives, hopefully never.

Better dead than red, eh ?

If only that could happen. So depressing thinking of this shower in for the next 4 years.

Either this thread wouldn't exist if there was a decent opposition because they would have won the last election.
Or everyone would be shouting about how awful Labour was during the Covid crisis.

In your opinion, is there a Govt that has handled Covid well? What did they do that you think really worked? And was that good luck or good judgement?

What do you think Labour would have done better post referendum and with COVID?

I've just looked up the polls on Yougov, and the government's approval and disapproval ratings are on the whole no worse than they were before COVID came along. In fact they are slightly better than they were for the last few months of 2019. (Although I guess Brexit was affecting them then?)

(In April and May this year the government ratings were immensely better than they are now, we are now back to more or less the ratings they had earlier. Disaproval is slightly higher than at the start of COVID, but they're not higher than the last few months of 2019.)

So YABU if you think the goverment is especially unpopular at the moment.

Yougov is owned by a Tory though...

I want him gone. Wish people would take to the streets and demand him out. Its not even purely a partisan issue, I'm labour yet there are other tories who I'd vastly prefer over this clown

@Bumsnet2021 more people would be alive today if Labour had won. The March restrictions would have come earlier, as Mr Corbyn would have bowed to union pressure.

Even more would be alive if Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove had become Tory leader.

What do you think Labour would have done better post referendum and with COVID?

This is no defence for how appallingly the current government has handled both Brexit and Covid, you cannot sensibly argue what another may or may not have done, you can only hold the people who made the actual decisions to account and the choices they made, not what could have been.

This is Mumsnet so very anti Tory anyway ,in what way do you think Keir Starmer would have done a better job? At present he does a lot of whining and criticising but no actual solutions .

The Chancellor is FAR from being competent. He's massively screwed up the covid support, furlough, etc., leaving nearly 3 million self employed excluded, and losing their businesses, homes, savings, and in some cases, their lives. Just because some people have had have money thrown at them, doesn't mean that it's been spent wisely nor to those who actually need it. The guy is clueless and the thought of him taking over from Boris is awful. Just because he's good on camera doesn't mean he has any ability to govern/lead the country.

The problem is that even if the Tories get rid of Johnson, it is the Tory members who vote in the next leader of the Conservative party/PM. And the Tory membership is far far to the right of the average voter. So god knows who they’d vote in next, but it’s unlikely to be a sensible centrist type. And because they have an 80 majority, they certainly won’t be calling an election soon no matter what.

I wouldn’t vote Tory if they promised me a flying unicorn. But I’m not really in their voter target list. I live in an incredibly safe Tory seat but haven’t voted Tory ever. This government is a complete and utter disgrace but currently their PR campaign is doing its job (cock it up royally but blame “the people” for not following “the rules” when it all goes horribly wrong and / or terrify them into compliance)

Oh look, 48/52!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Yougov is owned by a Tory though...

No use citing polls unless you cite the full methodology behind them.

YouGov, like all pollsters, are bound by what the people paying for the poll (or likely to want to pay for the poll) want. So the questions are far from unbiased.

in what way do you think Keir Starmer would have done a better job

He'd have followed the science and backed up his decisions with evidence, as opposed to claiming to follow the science but producing no evidence to support their decisions. Also, he would have been proactive, tackling problems as they started to materialise, not weeks down the line.

You all know they just do what the advisors (medical and economy) tell them to do?

Having a different figure head would have made very little difference to how any of this has been handled, whoever was unfortunate enough to be in charge would have been blamed whatever the result and would have had millions of people claiming they could have done it better.

Labour are on Sky news now bashing Boris, turning a pandemic into a political issue rather than collaborating for the benefit of everyone is pretty shit really, given the fact that behind closed doors they will be breathing a huge sigh of relieve that they weren't in power when they know there are no right answers.

Oh look, 48/52!

Couldn't be more apt today!