How long before something changes and we are rid of this incapable government?

[BarkHoneyBark]

Boris Johnson isn’t fit to make the decisions that need made, Brexit needs to be postponed and we need a coalition.

The current chancellor, keir starmer....whoever else is competent.

‘You all know they just do what the advisors (medical and economy) tell them to do?’

Except they consistently ignored the scientists time and time again.

@SerendipityJane - this is on Corbyn and Labour. It was their election to lose. Nobody should have lost to this government. Yet they did.

This makes for startling reading. More than half of the £40 billion plus in bounce back loans is expected to be written off due to defaults or fraud. They're just haemorrhaging money.

www.ft.com/content/41d5fe0a-7b46-4dd7-96e3-710977dff81c

[quote DianaT1969]@SerendipityJane - this is on Corbyn and Labour. It was their election to lose. Nobody should have lost to this government. Yet they did.[/quote]
And all the Remainer MPs who kept voting against May's "deals" against the will of the people, thus causing her resignation and the 2019 GE!

[quote DianaT1969]@SerendipityJane - this is on Corbyn and Labour. It was their election to lose. Nobody should have lost to this government. Yet they did.[/quote]
This is on people who voted Tory and no one else. They're idiots, and the got a government of idiots in their image.

@DianaT1969 No one forced people to vote Conservative, every seat in the country had alternatives to Con and Labour. We keep being told to take personal responsibility. So that's what Tory voters should do, take responsibility for the mess that they voted for.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

‘You all know they just do what the advisors (medical and economy) tell them to do?’

Except they consistently ignored the scientists time and time again.

There are loads of scientists giving conflicting advice in a situation noone has ever had to deal with before.

If you think a different pm, or even a different government, would have made a material difference to the way this has been handled you are deluded.

If they had kept the infection and death rates down at the expense of more economic damage they would be getting slated for overreacting.

Whatever they do they will be criticised

[quote Orf1abc]This makes for startling reading. More than half of the £40 billion plus in bounce back loans is expected to be written off due to defaults or fraud. They're just haemorrhaging money.

www.ft.com/content/41d5fe0a-7b46-4dd7-96e3-710977dff81c[/quote]
Another Rishi cock-up. Virtually no checks that the loans were being given to legitimate businesses. Random people were buying up dormant limited companies which were formed pre Covid, but never traded, in order to use them to claim the BB loans. There are also some loans given to limited companies which were formed after Covid which have never traded - those were so blatant that the loans should never have been granted.

At the same time, huge numbers of legitimate businesses were excluded from the BB loan scheme for not having a business bank account with the "right" bank, i.e. sole traders using personal bank accounts or businesses using banks which weren't participating in the BB loan scheme.

Typical Rishi - throwing money at those who don't need it (or aren't entitled) and excluding many who desperately needed it.

[quote nosswith]@Bumsnet2021 more people would be alive today if Labour had won. The March restrictions would have come earlier, as Mr Corbyn would have bowed to union pressure.

Even more would be alive if Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove had become Tory leader.[/quote]
Bollocks

[quote Orf1abc]@DianaT1969 No one forced people to vote Conservative, every seat in the country had alternatives to Con and Labour. We keep being told to take personal responsibility. So that's what Tory voters should do, take responsibility for the mess that they voted for.[/quote]
Very few areas had alternative candidates who had any chance at all of actually winning the seat. No point at all in voting, say, Libdems, in an area where history shows they only get 10% (or less) of the vote. When faced with that, people have to vote against who they want to win least, rather than for who they want to win most.

We live in a democracy. We had a fair and free election. The British public got the government they voted for ...and deserve. Perhaps next time people will read the literature that comes through the letterbox, watch the news and engage with canvassers rather than going for the candidate who’s “a bit of a laugh”.

Look on the bright side. They'll have £350 million extra per week to play with from 1st Jan. 🙄😐.

Another Rishi cock-up. Virtually no checks that the loans were being given to legitimate businesses. Random people were buying up dormant limited companies which were formed pre Covid, but never traded, in order to use them to claim the BB loans. There are also some loans given to limited companies which were formed after Covid which have never traded - those were so blatant that the loans should never have been granted.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/09/universal-credit-scam-leaves-claimants-pounds-hundreds-out-of-pocket

@Kazzyhoward so I am not alone in thinking Rishi Sunak, the man prepared to accept being dictated to by Dominic Cummings at the time of his appointment, is not a great Chancellor? Thank you for making me feel that I am not alone in my perception of him.

@LadyRoughDiamond yes we did and people were fooled in my opinion, or faced with the alternative of a former terrorist sympathiser as Prime Minister and could not forgive him or accept the fantasy manifesto he promoted.

Free and fair election, unlike the 2016 referendum with illegal expenditure.

You all know they just do what the advisors (medical and economy) tell them to do?

But this government had gone against that advise on more then one occasion

Having a different figure head would have made very little difference to how any of this has been handled

I don't believe any other figure head would have gone on the TV telling everyone they shook hands with staff in a Covid unit, seeing what was happening around the world with this virus.

whoever was unfortunate enough to be in charge would have been blamed whatever the result and would have had millions of people claiming they could have done it better.

The point is not about claiming you can do it better, they have taken on a role to be accountable for the countries successes and failures, so they have to stand up and be counted on that. Not consistently passing the blame.

Labour are on Sky news now bashing Boris, turning a pandemic into a political issue rather than collaborating for the benefit of everyone is pretty shit really, given the fact that behind closed doors they will be breathing a huge sigh of relieve that they weren't in power when they know there are no right answers

Keir Starmer told Boris Johnson that his Christmas promise was not safe nor feasible, he carried on regardless. It is a politics issue, it a political issue on that the political party who are responsible and accountable for the pandemic are failing.

Perhaps next time people will read the literature that comes through the letterbox, watch the news and engage with canvassers rather than going for the candidate who’s “a bit of a laugh

While I completely agree with the sentiment, I can't help but think quite the opposite, don't read the news Murdoch (Tory) is feeding you, go away and do your own research, see the person and their teams previous achievements and failings, go to lots of different sources. Making a decision based on the UK press is not a way to make an informed decision IMO