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To distance myself from friend

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StartingAgain33 · 08/12/2020 23:50

I think my friend might be a bit of a narc but can't work out if I'm just overthinking and there's a personality clash. We're currently on hols which always amplifies things.

She's the ceo of her own (v successful) company and does a v good job of it. Its entirely focused on changing people's behaviour so she's a bit of an expert at exploiting peoples fears, needs etc as well as persuasion. Has top ceos eating out of her hand etc. I admire what she's achieved.

However I feel she brings it into the friendship. We are on holiday currently and its like everything is being facilitated by her all the time. She insisted we set some 'ground rules' at the beginning which to me felt formal and awkward. She cannot take a suggestion from me without disagreeing and saying we should do something else. The day has to revolve around her needs. She constantly asks for favours or sort of just tells me what to do. I've started to close up around her and just feel quite defensive and powerless/ mildly pissed off, which i can't hide despite really trying to. She then points out that she would like me to change my 'tone', which makes me disengage even more (even though I'm trying super hard to be chirpy, as it seems if I'm not she gets anxious and kind of aggressively cheerful- will constantly interrupt what I'm saying with 'look at that amazing thing! Ooh I'm so happy!' Etc).

There was even tension before we went away - I shouldn't have ignored my feelings about it. I was more reluctant to go, as I had a huge tax bill, uncertain work situation next year (I'm a freelancer), and i obviously lose money going on hols. I also felt very nervous because of covid and thought everything would be closed etc. But she needed to use holiday up before the end of the year so she of course persuaded me it was going to be the best thing ever and made me feel guilty so I just said yes. She was also clearly taking it personally and I felt bad. I realise this is people pleasing on my part. I was a bit nervous of going with her as we lived together previously and I found the atmosphere odd and awkward then, with the only acceptable behaviour for me being to sort of pander to her if that makes sense. I think she has since realised I didnt really have a good time and feels jealous of the housemate I had after who I got along famously with.

The night before we left she called me after having been verbally attacked by her neighbour who called her manipulative. She is a strong feminist and felt he was being misogynist. I listened to her for ages sympathising and agreeing (he did sound v aggressive) and cheered her up while actually needing to pack. These sorts of altercations happen a lot, where she rubs people up the wrong way, then seems to recruit people to defend her etc. We then spent the whole weekend going over a four sentence email she kept redrafting to him over and over as she kept asking for feedback. In the end I said she should just send it so she can forget about it and she snapped about how traumatising it was etc. We had by that time spent hours and hours discussing, and I felt drained and like what I said was never enough. I would have had patience if it weren't for the fact that she has regularly censored me on things im stressed about - like asking me not to talk about being stressed about the covid situation because it stressed her out etc which I happily did and apologised for (I only mentioned it as I was unsure about going).

The last time I went away with her the whole train ride was helping her redraft a very angry text to her tenants (who were also friends) where I felt she was being really unreasonable. She had just told me she had never known how to show anger before (according to her therapist). The tone of the text was extremely angry, as was the email this weekend, and I could feel her getting defensive when I said it was harsh, but she kept asking and what am I supposed to do, keep lying?

She also told me on our intense 'ground rules' chat that she was feeling defensive as she was paranoid i'd rather be here with my boyfriend. I have avoided talking about him and have not even texted him at all as she had already told me she was 'triggered' by any happy couples at the moment and asked me not to talk about him when I started seeing him. This is the first person I've really liked and been treated decently by for a long time, and she's seen up close how much I've been through with my dad dying, ex getting cancer etc and instead of being happy for me it just feels like she makes it about her. She is currently jealous and angry at her sister for being pregnant.

She keeps going on dates and getting angry with people- one last year even ended in the guy shouting at her in the street, which is never OK, but I'm starting to feel like this might not always be a simple case of misogyny. She constantly challenges and censors you in conversation, but under a really chirpy veneer which makes you feel like you're being a grumpy shit for feeling annoyed.

Then on money she insists on paying everything equally to the penny, which is exhausting on hols - I always err on not counting pennies and instead just being generous with eachother (I'm pretty sure I'm always the one to pay more in this situation) but instead she insists on keeping receipts, doing a daily transfer etc, but regularly forgets when I've lent her money and took four days into the holiday to transfer me the money for booking her hotel and flight (she managed to get me to do all the admin for going) despite me saying it was my spending money and I'd like it before we go. She was waylaid by the neighbour drama and then the next morning was taken up with us both doing a wild goose chase to get her some medication before we went away as thered been some sort of f* up on that too. I eventually managed to get it sent to boots in Heathrow but it wasn't exactly a relaxing way to start the holiday).

Anyway I'm going on. You get the picture. Am I just nit picking here? The funny thing is she seems like the loveliest person when you meet, and she can definitely be a really supportive friend. I know she means well and would be mortified i feel all this so I feel guilty writing it out. She very often expresses how much she cares about me and I really think values my friendship, but for whatever reason she seems to be feeling insecure about it and defensive, which makes me feel defensive.

What would you do?

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Alexindiamondarmour · 08/12/2020 23:56

Wow OP this sounds exhausting.
How often do you see her generally? And how often do you text etc? Can you let this fade away naturally?

FeckTheMagicDragon · 08/12/2020 23:57

Seriously? She’s treating you like a combination PA/therapist. Get through the holiday without losing it then drift away. If she challenges you just let her know it’s not really working any more for you. What are you getting out of the relationship?

pepsicolagirl · 09/12/2020 00:00

I would find better friends

thepeopleversuswork · 09/12/2020 00:01

She sounds like really hard work: controlling, selfish and a drama queen and I wouldn't blame you for wanting to take a step back.

People like this generally aren't able to sustain friendships with people who they consider to be their equal because they are always struggling for control. I have a friend who is a little like this (not quite as full on) who I have learned to deal with by keeping distance because she expects everyone to be the junior partner and I can't be arsed with it.

It sounds as if she has identified you -- incorrectly - as a bit of a pushover and wants you as her sidekick. Its never going to work on her terms unless you go along with this.

I'd get through the holiday as best you can and then when you get back to the UK just gently withdraw.

willloman · 09/12/2020 00:01

Why? Just why?

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 09/12/2020 00:02

You don’t like her. You don’t enjoy her company. You don’t have a good time with her.

What are you doing this for?

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 00:08

Thanks everyone. @workingitoutasigo tbh I think its a combination of the fact that she can be really sweet and supportive, is often there for me when I need her, and she really is very good at saying how much I mean to her which I guess has made me feel she's a kind person. But now I feel like even if those things are true, shes not good to be with intensely.

There is a slight complication in that I get freelance work wirh her company and would not like this to stop in the current climate but this certainly isn't why I'm friends with her, and I do worry that if I piss her off she'll stop her team reaching out to me (we never work directly together) which would be hard next year.

I also feel she takes rejection so personally, I dont know how to back away graciously without a confrontation which I really don't want to do. I'm feeling quite a lot of anger and dread and honestly finding it hard to be around her. I've still got a week left!!!

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StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 00:14

Oh to the other persons question, how much we see eachother varies. Not much during lockdown obviously but when it lifted she was working at mine once a week to get a break from her flat which was sort of OK. She needed the contact more than I did. We text most weeks. She can defo go MIA when she has more interesting things going on and then seems to get extremely jealous and possessive when she senses I am not there at her beck and call. I just wish she could be happy for me!

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Hawkins001 · 09/12/2020 00:17

It seems firstly you make an excellent assistant, that aside it sounds like anything that would unbalance your friends feelings she tries to shut down the conversations, and it seems she would rather get into debates about x.issue and with some people that may have perhaps lead to.the disagreement, although I'd need more context on the issues to say who was more likely to be correct, overall is keep her as an useful asset but not a friend that you could fully confide in.

FallingStar21 · 09/12/2020 00:18

Sorry OP, she does not sound lovely or caring about you at all. If she was, she would have made sure that you get your money back sooner, especially knowing you needed it asap. I wouldn't dream of doing this to anyone, let alone a friend! If she were lovely, you wouldn't have felt like she was draining your energy as you described it yourself. She sounds VERY CONTROLLING - telling you what to (not) talk about, not being able to even hear about your boyfriend, such an important person in your life, just because of her own bitterness?! Jealous and insecure too, big time. Really struggling to imagine how she is so powerful and successful in getting people to follow her orders, she sounds like a right b*tch.
Stop giving her the benefit of the doubt, she doesn't deserve it. Holiday with a friend shouldn't be such hard work! If I were you, I'd seriously rethink the value of this friendship.

thepeopleversuswork · 09/12/2020 00:18

"she can be really sweet and supportive, is often there for me when I need her, and she really is very good at saying how much I mean to her which I guess has made me feel she's a kind person."

Of course. She's a manipulative person and she knows how to manipulate people. Very few people have no saving graces and she needs to keep people sweet to a sufficient degree that she can act out on them.

I'd cut her loose tbh. Life is too short for people this draining.

katy1213 · 09/12/2020 00:23

Get up early and slip away for a day on your own. Leave a note, 'Need some space.' And next time she tells you what you do, just say,"I'd sooner this. See you later.'
She can only manipulate if you allow yourself to be manipulated.

katy1213 · 09/12/2020 00:25

And phone your boyfriend.If it 'triggers' her, she can fuck off to the bar!

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 00:27

I think also as she is quite popular and seems to have lots of friends etc, I have been worried this is my issue. But reading this makes me feel better. Tbh she doesn't seem to have long term close friendships come to think of it - her best friend from school just stopped speaking to her for ages although they're now on talking terms again. I wonder if this is a pattern.

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DimidDavilby · 09/12/2020 00:30

I think you're still friends with her because you know she will turn on you if you don't do as she pleases. I'm exaggerating here but you're basically a hostage of friendship.

Mittens030869 · 09/12/2020 00:33

I agree with PPs that she sounds controlling and very hard work. You do need to ask yourself what you’re getting out of this friendship. Friends are supposed to be people we enjoy being around, otherwise what’s the point?

Yes we should support our friends. But it’s supposed to be two way thing, where you support each other.

Wendyhause · 09/12/2020 00:34

It baffles me why anyone would want to spend any time, never mind go on holiday with a person so described in the OP. Oh and to call her a friend is quite baffling too. Isn't a friend someone we like and enjoy their company?
It's not as if the OP got a surprise at the behaviour on holiday. She already knew this woman was a horror. Why put yourself through a holiday you probably know you will not enjoy?

Twistered · 09/12/2020 00:36

Either get home pronto or else distance yourself from her for the rest of the holiday and just be easy breezy and brush everything she says off

I couldn't stick it out tbh
She sounds exhausting. And a tad unstable Confused

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 09/12/2020 00:37

I'm exhausted just reading this. This isnt a friendship. This is her using you to facilitate her life. Absolutely everything you've described is on her terms. You get along fine as long as you do every thing she wants.
I mean spending hours talking about her email issue, but you're not allowed to say you're stressed about something significant and real in case it rubs off on her and stresses her out? And not being able to be happy about something good in your life because it also triggers her?
So you're not allowed to be too happy,too sad, too busy or any normal feelings in case it negatively impacts her, while completely supporting her in every minor drama?
I cant believe you've put up with it this long

Twistered · 09/12/2020 00:38

@DimidDavilby has got it 100%

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 00:39

I am actually considering going home early. Found a flight for £16! But I know she would be SO upset and it would end the friendship completely. I do get a lot more out of it in normal life - being on holiday massively intensifies everything. I also don't want to be a drama queen myself. Have just texted her to say I've had some tricky news at home (white lie) and will need a lie in and some space tomorrow so please feel free to get on with her day and ill meet her later for dinner. She gets up at 6am so hoping she'll leave before I get up.

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Twistered · 09/12/2020 00:43

Do it. It will be the best £16 you will ever spend. And a fantastic way to start at stopping being a doormat and censoring yourself at the demands of someone else!
Go home. Who needs this shite in their life.

MiniMum97 · 09/12/2020 00:47

She sounds like a complete nightmare. I would be ending that friendship. I tend to do this by just stopping all contact. I don't need a conversation about it once I've decided and the person always knows why. Once I am done, I am done.

Plantlover101 · 09/12/2020 01:07

I do sympathise, OP. I went on holiday last year with a controlling friend and it was really tough. It was her way or the highway and getting the tiniest little thing I wanted was like a battle royale. At one point I called my best pal in the UK and told her I was ready to pack my bags and come home.

She talked me out of it and reminded me: "It's your holiday too."

After that I spent more time on my own, saying I wanted to go for a walk, or wanted to do something different to what she wanted (and expected us both to do together) etc. I just stopped going along with what she wanted all the time. The space did us both good.

You can either come home straight away or stick it out and make the best of it - do what YOU want to do - and be too busy to meet up once you get home to give yourself some breathing space.

I find that taking a break from someone always gives me clarity on whether I want them in my life or not.

Plantlover101 · 09/12/2020 01:12

Minimum, I like your style.

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