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To distance myself from friend

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StartingAgain33 · 08/12/2020 23:50

I think my friend might be a bit of a narc but can't work out if I'm just overthinking and there's a personality clash. We're currently on hols which always amplifies things.

She's the ceo of her own (v successful) company and does a v good job of it. Its entirely focused on changing people's behaviour so she's a bit of an expert at exploiting peoples fears, needs etc as well as persuasion. Has top ceos eating out of her hand etc. I admire what she's achieved.

However I feel she brings it into the friendship. We are on holiday currently and its like everything is being facilitated by her all the time. She insisted we set some 'ground rules' at the beginning which to me felt formal and awkward. She cannot take a suggestion from me without disagreeing and saying we should do something else. The day has to revolve around her needs. She constantly asks for favours or sort of just tells me what to do. I've started to close up around her and just feel quite defensive and powerless/ mildly pissed off, which i can't hide despite really trying to. She then points out that she would like me to change my 'tone', which makes me disengage even more (even though I'm trying super hard to be chirpy, as it seems if I'm not she gets anxious and kind of aggressively cheerful- will constantly interrupt what I'm saying with 'look at that amazing thing! Ooh I'm so happy!' Etc).

There was even tension before we went away - I shouldn't have ignored my feelings about it. I was more reluctant to go, as I had a huge tax bill, uncertain work situation next year (I'm a freelancer), and i obviously lose money going on hols. I also felt very nervous because of covid and thought everything would be closed etc. But she needed to use holiday up before the end of the year so she of course persuaded me it was going to be the best thing ever and made me feel guilty so I just said yes. She was also clearly taking it personally and I felt bad. I realise this is people pleasing on my part. I was a bit nervous of going with her as we lived together previously and I found the atmosphere odd and awkward then, with the only acceptable behaviour for me being to sort of pander to her if that makes sense. I think she has since realised I didnt really have a good time and feels jealous of the housemate I had after who I got along famously with.

The night before we left she called me after having been verbally attacked by her neighbour who called her manipulative. She is a strong feminist and felt he was being misogynist. I listened to her for ages sympathising and agreeing (he did sound v aggressive) and cheered her up while actually needing to pack. These sorts of altercations happen a lot, where she rubs people up the wrong way, then seems to recruit people to defend her etc. We then spent the whole weekend going over a four sentence email she kept redrafting to him over and over as she kept asking for feedback. In the end I said she should just send it so she can forget about it and she snapped about how traumatising it was etc. We had by that time spent hours and hours discussing, and I felt drained and like what I said was never enough. I would have had patience if it weren't for the fact that she has regularly censored me on things im stressed about - like asking me not to talk about being stressed about the covid situation because it stressed her out etc which I happily did and apologised for (I only mentioned it as I was unsure about going).

The last time I went away with her the whole train ride was helping her redraft a very angry text to her tenants (who were also friends) where I felt she was being really unreasonable. She had just told me she had never known how to show anger before (according to her therapist). The tone of the text was extremely angry, as was the email this weekend, and I could feel her getting defensive when I said it was harsh, but she kept asking and what am I supposed to do, keep lying?

She also told me on our intense 'ground rules' chat that she was feeling defensive as she was paranoid i'd rather be here with my boyfriend. I have avoided talking about him and have not even texted him at all as she had already told me she was 'triggered' by any happy couples at the moment and asked me not to talk about him when I started seeing him. This is the first person I've really liked and been treated decently by for a long time, and she's seen up close how much I've been through with my dad dying, ex getting cancer etc and instead of being happy for me it just feels like she makes it about her. She is currently jealous and angry at her sister for being pregnant.

She keeps going on dates and getting angry with people- one last year even ended in the guy shouting at her in the street, which is never OK, but I'm starting to feel like this might not always be a simple case of misogyny. She constantly challenges and censors you in conversation, but under a really chirpy veneer which makes you feel like you're being a grumpy shit for feeling annoyed.

Then on money she insists on paying everything equally to the penny, which is exhausting on hols - I always err on not counting pennies and instead just being generous with eachother (I'm pretty sure I'm always the one to pay more in this situation) but instead she insists on keeping receipts, doing a daily transfer etc, but regularly forgets when I've lent her money and took four days into the holiday to transfer me the money for booking her hotel and flight (she managed to get me to do all the admin for going) despite me saying it was my spending money and I'd like it before we go. She was waylaid by the neighbour drama and then the next morning was taken up with us both doing a wild goose chase to get her some medication before we went away as thered been some sort of f* up on that too. I eventually managed to get it sent to boots in Heathrow but it wasn't exactly a relaxing way to start the holiday).

Anyway I'm going on. You get the picture. Am I just nit picking here? The funny thing is she seems like the loveliest person when you meet, and she can definitely be a really supportive friend. I know she means well and would be mortified i feel all this so I feel guilty writing it out. She very often expresses how much she cares about me and I really think values my friendship, but for whatever reason she seems to be feeling insecure about it and defensive, which makes me feel defensive.

What would you do?

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GammyLeg · 09/12/2020 01:15

Why don't you expand on your white lie and take the £16 flight home?

She sounds incredibly draining. I'm sure she's good at her job but she's a terrible friend.

ButtonMoonLoon · 09/12/2020 01:18

She sounds exhausting and just TOO intense

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 01:20

Thanks everyone. I think I might expand on the white lie as someone has suggested and go home. I feel bad and like I'm being overly dramatic. But I've been on holiday with quite a few friends - and yes had tension etc which is normal - but never anything like this dread.

I've only been going out with my boyfriend for three months. Kind of embarrassed to tell him I'm coming home early in case he thinks I'm a drama queen! And also feel a bit embarrassed as I do talk about this person quite a bit as one of my closest friends and he has been keen to meet her etc (although to be fair she hasn't been keen to meet him - so maybe it doesn't matter!). He said he found it really attractive that my friend obviously values me a lot and really wants me to go away with her and I feel like this might reflect badly on me.

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Mamanyt · 09/12/2020 01:23

The hardest thing I have ever done is learning to cut toxic people out of my life. I think that you have reached this point. You may be her friend, but she is not yours. Sometimes you just have to care about someone from a safe distance, without engaging, to keep your own sanity.

Find new people to relate to. People who are as interested in you and your opinions as you are in their's. They are out there.

What do you tell her? Well, you don't owe her any explanation at all. A simple, "No, thank you" when she invites you somewhere is fine. Be "dreadfully busy right now" when she calls (if she calls). Cut conversations very short. If she pushes it, tell her that the friendship feels very one-sided to you, and you are ready to move on. She will challenge that, but...the answer is, "Feelings matter. Right or wrong, they matter, and that's how I feel."

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 01:34

@mamanyt, thank you, that's great advice. I really do find it hard also to cut toxic people. There's someone from when I was 11 years old (I'm 36 now!!) that I still cannot get rid of. I think she's gone and then she comes back. Now its only an annual chat on the phone after I continually backed away again and again but it still feels too much. I just hate hurting people's feelings but again this woman is controlling and gets angry and offended when I back away or make it reasonably clear I don't want to just listen to her go on for hours about boring crap.

I think I also put up with this crap as I know I have my own thoughts. I can be a massive worrier and need a lot of emotional support etc, so I then feel its fair to give it back. I'm sure friend would say I'm neurotic etc which would be true! Although to be fair I have had an actual fuck tonne of shit happen to me these past few years and I dont THINK I quite have the same level of victim mentality but who knows.

Two wrongs dont make a right anyhow!

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 09/12/2020 01:34

You do need to ask yourself what you’re getting out of this friendship. Friends are supposed to be people we enjoy being around, otherwise what’s the point?

This ^^. Personally, I wouldn’t cut the holiday short as you’ll twist yourself into knots trying to explain the reasons to her-she doesn’t sound like someone who’d simply accept your decision.
I’d stick it out for the week and perhaps invent some ailments to get a break from her.😂.

It’ll be much easier to distance yourself when you’re back home with your bf, family and other friends. You can say that you’re really behind and need to catch up on lots of things ....then don’t text her.

Remember, you don’t have to be her friend, it’s optional.

Luciferthecat666 · 09/12/2020 02:01

@StartingAgain33 She sounds very toxic and utterly exhausting! Actually you have more or less described one of my ex friends, I ended our friendship 18 months ago after nearly 14 years because of her toxic behaviour and she was exactly like your friend. It's always about them, what they want, what they need, what they think, they have to be the centre of attention and when you dare to say anything they perceive as a criticism they turn on you and make you out to be the bad guy for upsetting them or they lash out at you and start picking on your supposed faults.

I'd seriously think about ending the friendship if I were you OP she clearly doesn't bring anything but toxic negativity to your life and she won't change her behaviour, in fact the longer you stay in this friendship the more her behaviour will escalate. People like your friend are master manipulators and very good at playing the victim all the time so you feel sorry for them. If she was a truly nice person would she really be bringing you down and refusing to talk about your recent happiness, dictating the friendship and trying to control everything? it sounds very much like "my way or the highway" with her. If she was so lovely she wouldn't spend hours typing out and obsessing over an angry email to send to her neighbour over an argument it sounds like she started in the first place? I think she gets a kick out of rubbing people up the wrong way because it creates drama and her type thrive on drama big time they can't help themselves its like's a moth to a flame they're only happy when they're putting others down because it makes them feel superior as if they're better than everyone else and they enjoy lording it over people when they are better off constantly bragging about how great their lives are especially when others are going through a bad time. These types normally end up burning through friends and relationships quickly because people eventually get fed up of all the drama and toxicity they bring with them.

Eckhart · 09/12/2020 02:05

I think my friend might be a bit of a narc but can't work out if I'm just overthinking and there's a personality clash

Who cares? Either way, it's not working. Find other people to spend time with.

MildlyMiserable · 09/12/2020 02:14

I had a friend like this OP, as soon as I stopped dancing to her tune she backed off, I haven’t seen her for years, my life is all the better for it.

Coyoacan · 09/12/2020 02:56

I personally don't think you should blast this friendship to kingdom come, OP. In my opinion, there are some friends that you can't do business with, some friends you can't live with and some friends you can't go on holiday with. I think that is what is happening here. But it does not have to mean the end of your friendship.

GoldfishParade · 09/12/2020 04:06

I'm intrigued....whatever these "ground rules" she has established??!

Just go home early OP. Life is too short.

Re the freelance work, I'm a freelancer too, and I really believe when one project dries up or falls through, something naturally arises to fill it.

catnoir1 · 09/12/2020 08:26

Life is too short for this op. Go home. Send her an email or a text or have a phone call explaining your side or tell her on holiday and get your flight home.

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/12/2020 08:38

Friends should be mutually supportive, she may be high on life but you have a lot in your plate and she should be responsive to that. And her being “triggered” by happy couples is just bullshit and massively inappropriate - if indeed she is triggered, it’s hers to manage not everyone else’s problem to avoid.

She sounds like she’s been theraped to within an inch of her life, which can give people the idea that they know themselves oh so well when in fact she’s detached from any needs but her own - crap therapy will do that to you. I’d back off, explain you need some space to deal with your own life and let her deal with her own feelings about that.

And in the name of god call your lovely boyfriend.

1FootInTheRave · 09/12/2020 08:43

I would drop her like a hot brick.

Awful woman.

myhobbyisouting · 09/12/2020 08:46

You need to learn to say no.

What kind of things is she getting you to do for her? Stop doing them.

Eg. "Starting, grab a menu from the bar for me" you say, "grab it yourself, you have legs".

"Starting, find the nearest pharmacy on your maps" you say, "No, it's draining my battery. Have a look on your phone"

Why on earth would you cut your own holiday short because you can't say no?

Why have you ignored your boyfriend? Text him. You have your own room, it's not as though you have to rub it in her face. She sounds an absolute melt but your behaviour is equally bizarre

SharonasCorona · 09/12/2020 08:52

Yikes I felt claustrophobic just reading that, no idea how you put up with it! Go home and distance yourself pronto. I would go NC.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 09/12/2020 08:58

What you say about her seeming popular with lots of friends reminds me of my sister. Went to her 50th a few years ago and there she was in a restaurant surrounded by people. Yet she is always jealous of my friends and seems to think they’re only my friends to get close to her (even when they’ve never met her) which is utter nonsense. It’s as though none of her friendships mean that much to her and she’s really insecure with them. She’s also incredibly controlling and will throw tantrums if she doesn’t get her own way.

Hope you have a lovely day today and if you can get home early do. It’s not worth it.

StartingAgain33 · 09/12/2020 15:03

Thanks all. Told her I'd go home early due to a family emergency and she was super nice. Now feeling a little guilty and wondering if I was exaggerating some of this in my head! We're actually having a nice day now. Will still slink off early and spend the rest of the holiday reading in the sun. Annoying I have to pay for another hotel but I'm here now!

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stackemhigh · 09/12/2020 15:20

Just don’t run into her in the supermarket or the airport! Well done for ditching her, don’t second guess yourself the ‘friendship’ is toxic as they come.

I still shudder at a friend who treated me like this and I haven’t seen her in 10 year.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 09/12/2020 15:46

That’s a relief she’s being nice. I’d still be wary though as this is her modus operandi- be a complete pain and then suddenly turn nice!

I’d still create some distance when you get home.

user1494055864 · 09/12/2020 16:28

I voted yabu for going on holiday with her in the first place Grin

myhobbyisouting · 09/12/2020 18:07

You're moving to another hotel, lying about it and sneaking around in the hope you don't bump into her?

Am I the only one who finds this just as odd as her bossy britches act? Confused

Wearywithteens · 09/12/2020 18:17

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Twistered · 09/12/2020 18:30

You're going to another hotel ? ? I thought you said you were going home ??

HolyBuckets · 09/12/2020 18:31

She actually sounds like a manipulative selfish psychopath.