AIBU to worry about our increasing reliance on vaccines?

[Jolonglegs]

The number of viruses seem to be increasing - ebola, zika, covid-19 etc - and I'm becoming increasingly concerned that we 're becoming ever more reliant on vaccines's. I'm not a scientist, so not really sure what a vaccine is or what it is made of, but I like to keep my body is as natural a state as possible, so don't like putting ever more stuff into it.

I think we need to be reflecting on human behaviour that encroaches more and more on the animal environment, and what we can do to reduce it. Population growth, Insecticides, deforestation, meat eating should all be reduced.

I know OP! It’s such a bitch that I don’t have to take my chances with small pox, polio, measles, rubella. Are we even meant to live past 30?!?! What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger!

I'm not a scientist

Probably could have ended the thread there to be honest.

vaccines are an essential part of helping our immune system deal with illnesses that might otherwise kill us. If science can help us, why wouldn't we take advantage of that? If my daughter had been born a hundred years ago, she'd be dead. Luckily we discovered insulin and so she can treat her type 1 diabetes and live a long life.

So insecticides and meat eating contribute to infectious virus’s.🤔

What a load of shite. Virus want to infect as many people as possible. And unless we have vaccines they will do so.🙄. The new virus have appeared as older ones have been squashed. And virus’s really just want to keep killing people, so they change and adapt to continue this.

A vaccine is significantly more likely to stop this than not eating your Shepherds pie😡

What total total shit.

And I’m a veggie

I'm sure there'll be a klaxon going off somewhere though and the anti-vaxxers - sorry, the "vaccine skeptics" as they prefer to be known (a dangerous loon by any other name is still a dangerous loon...) - will soon arrive to inform us how dangerous vaccines are and that germs are only a theory.

Your last sentence is sensible.

However, having a vaccine doesn't make you impure or fill you full of chemicals. It stimulates your immune system.

What would suggest instead? Not medicine I suppose as that would be unnatural too. So we'd all have to be ill for long periods of time and more people would die much earlier than we're used to.

I wonder if you’d like to see the photos I took of my father’s distorted knee joints, caused by polio contracted at the age of 18.

I had no doubt that I didn’t want my children to go through that pain and the disruption to education and life expectations. Some of these illnesses don’t just kill, they leave you permanently disabled. Someone told me that they’d once seen my grandmother, who was tiny, pushing my 18-year-old father in a wheelchair when he came out of hospital. I found the image very upsetting.

‘Maybe don’t take any medicines and don’t have any vaccines then?’

And see how long you survive? A minor scratch can turn to septicaemia. You’d be stuffed without anti biotics

I do however agree that our human abuse of animals in the form of factory farming is doing us no favours.

@RonObvious

You’re so concerned that you can’t even do basic research to discover what a vaccine is?

+1 Or even find out what a virus is???

There is no evidence that there are increasing numbers of viruses. There is certainly evidence that, in some respects, some of the human race is getting cleverer, and therefore is able to detect, identify and then treat them. Is it so much better to have no knowledge of what has made you ill or killed you? It may come as a huge surprise, but viruses have existed since, well, possibly before us. And they will probably outlast us too. They are much more adaptable than we are.

I am, however, rapidly changing my opinion on anti-vaxxers. I still have every intention of taking all the appropriate vaccines myself. And encouraging others to do so. But I am beginning to see an argument for some people not taking the vaccine. Culling some humans doesn't seem like an entirely bad idea.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

‘Maybe don’t take any medicines and don’t have any vaccines then?’

And see how long you survive? A minor scratch can turn to septicaemia. You’d be stuffed without anti biotics

That was my point.

Population growth, Insecticides, deforestation, meat eating should all be reduced

Yes - but why do we then all have to die from smallpox?

You are free to keep your body 'natural' and catch cholera, typhoid, ebola - up to you. The diseases we get vaccinated against have all been in existence from before deforestation and insecticides etc became a thing.

OK, there are new strains of diseases that vaccinations are tweaked to deal with - the Coronavireus vaccine uses ingredients that are all currently in medical use.

But hey, the Bubonic Plague - so natural!

Do you mean culling the anti vaxers? 😄

Actually - why am I getting sucked into this wafty nonsense?
Doh to self.

Professor Chris whitty is due to give a lecture about vaccinations at Gresham college in feb. Perhaps you and other anti vaccinations crew can watch it?

TBH I'm just here for the deletion message

You don't have to get vaccines but they are part of the reason why we live so long. Before their discovery , humans were lucky to live until they were 30 and infant mortality was insanely high.

To use a famous quote from Jurassic Park "Life finds a way" -viruses mutate and some diseases keep on coming back.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Do you mean culling the anti vaxers? 😄

In a natural way, obv.

Yes you are right viruses are just a punishment and vaccines are not the solution .

"Naturally" the earth can only support a tiny fraction of it's current population, so I take it you won't be having any children and/or you and your family will be at the front of the queue for the cull?

It's the overpopulation, not the vaccines that are worrying

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Do you mean culling the anti vaxers? 😄

Try reading "Blind Faith" by Ben Elton for a different perspective (and somewhat chilling, I found).

Here's something to read while we wait.

darwinawards.com/

I have a relative who was left. Brain injured by measles he was born too early for the vaccine.i think the op is talking through privilege of having vaccine availability and as a fall back

I'm not a scientist, so not really sure what a vaccine is or what it is made of, but I like to keep my body is as natural a state as possible, so don't like putting ever more stuff into it.

You clearly aren't a scientist and have an extremely limited grasp of what vaccines or viruses are so maybe leave it to people who do under this.

Children in undeveloped countries without access to proper healthcare find that keeping their bodies in "as natural a state as possible" does not prevent them from a high risk of death before they get to the age of five.

Please, if you can't be bothered to do the most basic reading around this subject, keep your ignorance to yourself.