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To be gutted at losing my benefit

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Clappingforjoy · 03/12/2020 19:05

I am going to inherit some money from sale of parents house and have told universal credit to close my claim but I'm gutted about it.
I have always struggled never had 2 Penny's to rub together and it just so happens I will go over the 16000 mark with this money and know i must sound greedy but my income is very low and i am scared this money will all go on living costs.

OP posts:
something2say · 04/12/2020 07:47

I've been a support worker for many years. I now work with people with learning disabilities and mental health problems like schizophrenia because I couldn't bear any more benefit claimants who wanted to stay on benefits all their lives and do literally nothing to get better. Smoke weed despite being anxious, eat shit, do no exercise, no trying to get better, no plan, out all night in bed all day then claim they're depressed. In the end I felt that benefits were enabling them to never improve. And I had to get away for my self preservation. I was abused for 15 years and claimed benefits to finish my A levels, but I worked all through university etc and honestly work has been the making of me. I hate the benefits system.

BarryWhiteIsMyBrother · 04/12/2020 08:00

@thelake

Also, I don't see why some people think they are special. It is detrimental to a lot of people to do their jobs but they suck it up and get in with it.
Glad someone brought this up.
MellowBird85 · 04/12/2020 08:31

@something2say

I've been a support worker for many years. I now work with people with learning disabilities and mental health problems like schizophrenia because I couldn't bear any more benefit claimants who wanted to stay on benefits all their lives and do literally nothing to get better. Smoke weed despite being anxious, eat shit, do no exercise, no trying to get better, no plan, out all night in bed all day then claim they're depressed. In the end I felt that benefits were enabling them to never improve. And I had to get away for my self preservation. I was abused for 15 years and claimed benefits to finish my A levels, but I worked all through university etc and honestly work has been the making of me. I hate the benefits system.
This in spades.
Mrgrinch · 04/12/2020 08:48

@something2say

I've been a support worker for many years. I now work with people with learning disabilities and mental health problems like schizophrenia because I couldn't bear any more benefit claimants who wanted to stay on benefits all their lives and do literally nothing to get better. Smoke weed despite being anxious, eat shit, do no exercise, no trying to get better, no plan, out all night in bed all day then claim they're depressed. In the end I felt that benefits were enabling them to never improve. And I had to get away for my self preservation. I was abused for 15 years and claimed benefits to finish my A levels, but I worked all through university etc and honestly work has been the making of me. I hate the benefits system.
I totally agree.

I'm sure we have all done jobs that have been detrimental, but we don't just quit and say we would rather sit at home and do nothing. I hate it when people say they are being "forced to work" because the government are refusing to continually pay them benefits.

DuckingFogg · 04/12/2020 09:10

I'd be in a similar situation as you OP if I suddenly got £26k, I work in care, full time and get a small amount of WTC, and CTC as I'm a single parent.
I need the CTC as the ex has successfully swerved his responsibility for years and without it we'd be screwed.
Fwiw if he had been pinned down and made to pay then the 'tax payer' wouldn't have to be my child's other parent financially. I tried and chased but hit brick walls constantly. To reduce the burden on the state, that's one of many things that need addressing, and a question no one seems to have an answer to is why this doesn't happen?
Secondly, in the past I've worked 0 hours minimum wage jobs, that left nothing to play with financially to try and get myself ahead. I'm lucky, I have managed to secure jobs in the last few years that were still low paid, but the hours at least were consistent, but even on 40+ hours a week, it wasn't enough to go round everything and I still got tax credits. Then that left no time to try and dig myself out of this situation, even poor people need sleep and relaxation at some point.
Were I to receive that sort of money tomorrow, I'd pay off my debts and start on a clean slate, which would improve my credit rating (mines shit too) though it would take time, and then drop my hours to enable me to train/go to college/uni and gain a qualification to enable me to earn more for the same hours I'm doing now. I did think savings applied to TC too, but read here it doesn't, but either way that's what I'd do, I'd also pay privately to get the physical problems that could potentially hold me back further down the line (not yet but will only deteriorate) sorted. And yes I'd treat myself.
£26k isn't an amount that could buy you a house and invest in it too so it was in great condition starting with, and I'd feel I was setting myself up for failure if I tried to buy because once the money is gone, I'm back to being skint, so I'd be worried I'd not be able to meet repair bills etc in the future.
If you plan carefully and you take some proper, impartial advice, this money could be life changing for you in a good way.
I do see your point of wanting it to do that, but feeling like it's going to take the place of benefits for a few years and will have been a wasted opportunity because of the situation you're in. It's enough to lift you out of temporarily, but it is not enough, on its own, to do that permanently. So yes I understand that you don't know what to do with it, because you want the best possible option that will improve your situation - and reliance on benefits - permanently. To use it to simply top up your earnings in place of benefits will achieve nothing, it will save the state £10-15k, and then then you'll need to claim again, when it does have the potential to lift you out of this situation forever - saving the state a lot more in the long run.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it, but I honestly don't think that you should be able to sit on that money, and claim benefits at the same time. Get some good advice from someone or somewhere impartial and use it to secure the future you want.

And as for those saying that benefits are a safety net and only there for short term help to those who fall on hard times, get real.
There are thousands of people claiming in work benefits, because minimum wage is not enough to live on, to pay all your essential things, and one minimum wage certainly isn't enough to live on when you're single handedly bringing up a family.
The 'tax payers' are paying to allow non resident parents to not meet their obligations and for companies to keep people on zero hours contracts, and pay wages too low to live on in a lot of cases.
And yes, someone in that situation may have the potential to get a better paying job, and let's just say tomorrow, everyone does. Who is going to do all the low paid work that society relies on? The care work? The shop work? The childcare? Who's going to work in hospitality?
These jobs are low paid as they are low status, but with the exception of hospitality, they are essential to a functional society, the people in those jobs need to live, they need to pay bills and if they don't pay enough to do that, then the shortfall needs to come from somewhere. Because otherwise you have people on the street with no way of earning anything at all.
So either things stay the way they are with the state plugging the gaps, or wages and service prices increase so benefits aren't needed so much to live on and therefore less of a burden on the state.
Either way everyone pays for it, either through increased prices or through taxation.

ibblebibbledibble · 04/12/2020 09:17

It’s really hard to get back on your feet, we went through a really tough time over the last few years, got made homeless and briefly relied on universal credit. I don’t want to go into much detail on here, but the system is definitely designed to keep people down at the bottom, and then sneer at them and make damn sure they stay there. We’ve been very lucky in our situation that we’ve been able to sort ourselves out, but I really feel for people out there in tough situations. As someone said earlier in the thread, paying tax doesn’t make you special.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 04/12/2020 09:22

Tbh I don't think OP is really sad about losing £300 a month benefit while gaining 26k. I would kind of get it if it were close to thousand.

I think that sadness is more about the loss of the parent. Just the source of sadness got confused in here.

dontdisturbmenow · 04/12/2020 09:30

It all comes down to what we end up taking for granted. You take the benefits you receive every month for granted so when you are in a position to get money of your own, you see it that it should be additional.

I'm suffering from chronic insomnia. It has a significant impact on my life. I am now starting to struggle with work and want to cut down my hours. Would it be right for me to consider cutting down the taxes I pay every month so that I remain on the same income? Of course not, it doesn't work like that no more that it is right that people on benefits should still be able to claim whilst on a windfall.

It's the best changes that happened with the transition to UC. Hopefully it will make you appreciate that benefits are only available because you otherwise wouldn't be able to support yourself.

Mrgrinch · 04/12/2020 09:37

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Tbh I don't think OP is really sad about losing £300 a month benefit while gaining 26k. I would kind of get it if it were close to thousand.

I think that sadness is more about the loss of the parent. Just the source of sadness got confused in here.

I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion because the OP's posts don't say that
jay55 · 04/12/2020 09:39

Your credit score will improve if you use the money to clear any debts you have. You'll also not have any late or missing payments for a while which will help. And being without debt or late on payments will help your mental health.

You could afford some private therapy too.

If you use the money to help yourself get to a place where you can increase your earning potential, it won't have been frittered away and it will have set you up for the future.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 04/12/2020 09:43

I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion because the OP's posts don't say that

I don't know. Logically I would think that someone would be sadder about the loss of a parent. It's a lot of sadness for small benefit while gaining large sum. I think that the sadness source is actually the real loss and the inheritance coming just made it real, but it's sometimes difficult to face that grief. I am not sure I am explaining my thoughts well.

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 04/12/2020 10:44

OP the best thing you can possibly do is get some financial advice and look to invest in an income fund. Investment funds on the whole are doing well at the moment and an income fund is set up to give you a regular return on the capital. Find a good local financial advisor and they'll do the legwork for you.

dontdisturbmenow · 04/12/2020 10:53

When the executor asks for the bank details to pay it, op could give the kids bank account, then it won't show up as a deposit in the op's account
Dreadful advice to commit fraud. They will catch you up anyway. This will be seen as deprivation of assets.

Whatever the 'rich' do doesn't justify committing fraud. It would be great if the dwp didn't need to recruit fraud investigators so the money could go elsewhere. Sadly, because of people like you seeing nothing wrong with it, we have to use tax money to catch fraudsters.

funinthesun19 · 04/12/2020 11:04

I honestly don’t understand this at all.
Whilst you will lose benefits, you have the opportunity here to get ahead and make changes e.g. pay off debts or do home improvements. I’d be ecstatic if I was in your position as I would be able to finally get my debts paid off and not have it drag me down anymore.

At some point you will receive benefits again. But at the moment you just can’t and you need to just get on with it. Put the money to some good use and this will be acceptable to them when you go to claim again when they ask you what you’ve spent it on.

Just don’t go directing the money elsewhere. It’s risky and then you really will be in the shit.

funinthesun19 · 04/12/2020 11:08

I say all of that as someone claiming UC and I rely heavily on it. If I ever have a windfall I fully expect that to stop. So I’m not benefit bashing in my last post at all.

19lottie82 · 04/12/2020 11:10

YABU, sorry. The benefits system is there as a safety net for people who need it, not for those who have >£16k in savings but don’t want to spend it.

AlternativePerspective · 04/12/2020 11:28

it’s because of the criminal acts being advised on this thread which people have such a low opinion of benefit claimants.

The more people suggest breaking the law to keep benefits, the more people suggest elsewhere that reporting benefit fraud is wrong, the more you are giving out the message that benefits are an entitlement and why shouldn’t anyone have them if they want them.

Which in turn makes people think the same of those who are legitimately claiming benefits because they literally have no choice.

Cocomarine · 04/12/2020 11:45

It’s taken me a fair bit of scrolling through your previous threads, but I can see now that you’re 50. So, 5 years away from being able to access a private pension.

I would:
(a) pay off any debt that was costing you money (interest), sleep (worry), or the ability to move forward in life (credit rating)

(b) keep back 6 months living costs as “emergency money” (probably in premium bonds)

(c) cost up anything that would help your life - heated blanket for fibromyalgia, private therapy for depression, a car if it improves your work chances...

(d) allow £1K for treat spending, because why not? You’ve had a hard time

(e) put all of the rest into a private pension, back claiming the tax relief - a PP explained current and last 3 years salary (there’s a max but you won’t hit it). If you put £20K in now, you’ll have £25K instantly, and only 5 years to wait to access it. Be careful that you understand investment and impact.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 04/12/2020 11:48

@AlternativePerspective

it’s because of the criminal acts being advised on this thread which people have such a low opinion of benefit claimants.

The more people suggest breaking the law to keep benefits, the more people suggest elsewhere that reporting benefit fraud is wrong, the more you are giving out the message that benefits are an entitlement and why shouldn’t anyone have them if they want them.

Which in turn makes people think the same of those who are legitimately claiming benefits because they literally have no choice.

You make so much sense and calmly. Bravo
wishywashywoowoo70 · 04/12/2020 11:48

I would buy the things you need that you can't usually afford. If you need a new car or new clothes that are better than usual get them now.
Start your claim again when you get to the 16k mark

BuntysTwinkle · 04/12/2020 12:19

Put the 10k over into a high interest account for your son. Then keep the rest under the savings threshold and don't stop your claim.

Investigators could find that with a few clicks, and then she'll be in trouble. As others here have said, it's deprivation of assets.

Grenlei · 04/12/2020 12:50

Interesting that the OP has previously posted back in April that she didn't receive any benefits due to already owning a property with her Ex, so not quite sure when she started receiving UC. Or what happened to that house?

my name is on a property I dont live in. My ex lives in it and I have no financial interest in it never paid the mortgage ex has always paid it and I dont get any money from him. Because there is alot of equity in it they are saying I have overc16.000 capital so I cant get universal credit council tax support nothing

Confused
YoungScrappyHungry · 04/12/2020 12:53

my name is on a property I dont live in. My ex lives in it and I have no financial interest in it never paid the mortgage ex has always paid it and I dont get any money from him. Because there is alot of equity in it they are saying I have overc16.000 capital so I cant get universal credit council tax support nothing*

Fucking hell. OP you sound lazy and grabby.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/12/2020 13:18

my name is on a property I dont live in. My ex lives in it and I have no financial interest in it never paid the mortgage ex has always paid it and I dont get any money from him. Because there is alot of equity in it they are saying I have overc16.000 capital so I cant get universal credit council tax support nothing

OMG really?