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White House poker. Biden trumps Trump. (Trump thread #115)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 01/12/2020 13:39

Here it is.
Thanks @BruceandNosh for the title.

And still we persist.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4084369-Figures-Don-t-Lie-But-Liars-Do-Figure-Trump-thread-114?msgid=102240605#102240605

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Anon778833 · 03/12/2020 18:41

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/03/joe-biden-trump-transition-live-updates/

Wisconsin Supreme Court declines to hear Trump campaign challenge to election results

AcrossthePond55 · 03/12/2020 20:26

I just keep coming back to Forrest Gump's Mama: "Stupid is as stupid does". That covers his cult members. For him and the 'upper echelon' I guess it would be "Evil is as evil does".

I will say that it does appear to me that 'direct' coverage of Scrotus appears to be lessening. They report about him, but less 'direct' video and soundbites. I hope this is the start of a media 'blackout' on him after he leaves office.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 03/12/2020 21:08

Just a bunch of crooks. Doing what they accuse the other side of doing. Again.

Trump aide banned from Justice after trying to get case info.
apnews.com/article/donald-trump-politics-elections-7624560e990ec55383a2a3e421c3a52e

The official serving as President Donald Trump’s eyes and ears at the Justice Department has been banned from the building after trying to pressure staffers to give up sensitive information about election fraud and other matters she could relay to the White House, three people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press.

Heidi Stirrup, an ally of top Trump adviser Stephen Miller, was quietly installed at the Justice Department as a White House liaison a few months ago. She was told within the last two weeks to vacate the building after top Justice officials learned of her efforts to collect insider information about ongoing cases and the department’s work on election fraud, the people said.

Stirrup is accused of approaching staffers in the department demanding they give her information about investigations, including election fraud matters, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.
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Stirrup had also extended job offers to political allies for positions at some of the highest levels of the Justice Department without consulting any senior department officials or the White House counsel’s office and also attempted to interfere in the hiring process for career staffers, a violation of the government’s human resources policies, one of the people said.

The Justice Department declined to comment. Attempts to reach Stirrup for comment were not immediately successful.

On Thursday, Trump appointed Stirrup to be a member of the board of visitors of the U.S. Air Force Academy, according to a White House press release.

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Anon778833 · 03/12/2020 21:29

@AcrossthePond55 very well put.

DGRossetti · 03/12/2020 21:31

[quote lionheart]www.politico.com/news/2020/12/03/heidi-stirrup-election-fraud-doj-442687[/quote]
More interesting was the story below that voter turnout in GA runoffs looks affected ..

www.politico.com/news/2020/12/03/georgia-election-official-runoff-turnout-442554

With "the Kraken" advising republicans not to vote ...

boatyardblues · 03/12/2020 23:41

I keep losing this thread so I am posting in an entirely gratuitous fashion.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/12/2020 00:15

www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

Joe will ask all Americans to wear masks for the first 100 days of his term. He's going to mandate masks where the Fed Govt has the authority to do so. And he's has asked Dr. Anthony Fauci to be a chief medical adviser and part of his Covid-19 response team.

Oh God, it is so nice to hear a voice of reason with sensible plans.

SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 04/12/2020 07:36

I find listening to Joe Biden speak very soothing. You know that he knows what hes talking about, hes not about soundbites and twitter. His years of political experience and genuine compassion for people shines through. Such a wonderful contrast to a loud mouthed bully with no moral compass.

Coquohvan · 04/12/2020 08:15

So glad Bidens got Fauci on board, he’s apologised about the UK rushing through Vacine clearance. Bidens got plans in force from day one to tackle COVID.
The cases and deaths are sky rocking in the US which Trump is ignoring with - all his votes are fraud nonsense and save his skin pardon talks.

www.wbrc.com/2020/12/04/dr-fauci-apologizes-comments-uk-vaccine-review-process/

Roussette · 04/12/2020 08:17

You couldn't make it up... Republicans have called Biden secretly to congratulate him... too lily livered to congratulate in public.

In the latest QAnon theory...
Biden has a sugican boot on because he is wearing an electronic tag as he has been arrested and they aren't releasing that information yet.

Okaayyyyy.....

maggiethecat · 04/12/2020 09:00

Rousette - I find the thought of living in the US in the these times a scary one.

Depending on where you live you’re likely to be in touch with many people who truly believe these theories, your everyday neighbour, work colleague, family member.....

Not just a few nut jobs.

scrappydappydoo · 04/12/2020 09:49

Long time lurker here with some musings - I haven’t looked into the QAnon stuff in a lot of detail but is it one of those things where 99.9% of it is completely rubbish but then a truth will slip in and no one will notice because it’s buried under North Korean boats and electronic tags. Or is that the idea? You believe it all because something might be true?
I find this all quite terrifying because even when Trump leaves the WH he has sown enough seeds of doubt in everything you don’t know who to trust or know what is real.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/12/2020 09:54

Mittens030869
He really doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about his actions.

And his definition of "the rest of the world" is "anyone who isn't Donald J Trump."

Zug2 · 04/12/2020 10:12

I just read that Jared Kushners father was jailed for tax evasion and tampering with a witness. The Trumps have a knack for surrounding themselves with the most despicable and corrupt people you could possibly never want to have in your circle.

" The witness-tampering charge arose from Kushner's act of retaliation against William Schulder, his sister Esther's husband, who was cooperating with federal investigators; Kushner hired a prostitute he knew to seduce his brother-in-law, arranged to record an encounter between the two, and had the tape sent to his sister.[14][15][16][13] He was sentenced to two years in prison,[14] and served 14 months at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Alabama."

DGRossetti · 04/12/2020 10:46

Both Congress and Senate (is that a tautology) are prepared to pass the NDAA

federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2020/12/congress-finishes-up-ndaa-trump-still-threatening-veto/

With the Republican senator for Oklahoma telling Trump to shove his S230 whinge

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-military-bill-veto-jim-inhofe-b1765753.html

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Oklahoma senator Jim Inhofe warned the US president about vetoing the military spending and policy bill on Wednesday, and was overheard doing so, on a speakerphone in a Senate corridor.
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BruceAndNosh · 04/12/2020 11:31

If you want some light relief, check out Susie Dent on Twitter @susie_dent for her Word of the day, especially the early November ones. It's basically a string of archaic insults for Trump

PerkingFaintly · 04/12/2020 12:14

scrappydappydoo, I'm reminded of something a journalist said about Charles & Diana: there were so many stories being made up about them towards the end of their marriage, that something was bound to be true just by accident.

And in general, conspiracy theories deliberately take tiny scraps of things that are true and weave them in among the fiction. The reader then encounters occasional things they already know, which feels like validation of the theory.

So it's not that the case that there is never anything true embedded in conspiracy theories; it's that conspiracy theories are useless as a source of information because so much is fiction.

PerkingFaintly · 04/12/2020 12:30

In particular, with "puzzle" type conspiracy theories like QAnon, it's very obvious that "doing the puzzle" is the hook.

Real whistleblowers (and there have been many), just tell you what they know. But that's boring; teasers are fun.

Teasers also get you to invest time and energy in speculation; people find it harder to walk away from things they've invested in.

So I think you're right that it's extremely damaging and will have longterm impacts.

Soopermum1 · 04/12/2020 12:49

Does anyone know a good site where I can get a round up of what legal actions are still outstanding re election results

PerkingFaintly · 04/12/2020 13:33

Democracy Docket is excellent, Soopermum!:
www.democracydocket.com/case_type/active-cases/

BruceAndNosh · 04/12/2020 13:53

@PerkingFaintly

In particular, with "puzzle" type conspiracy theories like QAnon, it's very obvious that "doing the puzzle" is the hook.

Real whistleblowers (and there have been many), just tell you what they know. But that's boring; teasers are fun.

Teasers also get you to invest time and energy in speculation; people find it harder to walk away from things they've invested in.

So I think you're right that it's extremely damaging and will have longterm impacts.

That's a very perceptive description @PerkingFaintly There's a lot amount of "I know something YOU don't know" from conspiracy theorists. Gives them a feeling of superiority. And of course no good conspiracy theory is without a cover up.... The less hard evidence sceptics can find, the more it "proves" just how good the cover up is, so validating the theory.
DGRossetti · 04/12/2020 13:57

The less hard evidence sceptics can find, the more it "proves" just how good the cover up is, so validating the theory.

If you're careful, and have patience, a straight face, and the right attitude, you can convince some people of anything.

There's an old gag - with a lot of meaning - that if you tell someone there are 100 billion stars in the universe they will believe you. But if you tell them a park bench has just been painted, they'll touch it to check.