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White House poker. Biden trumps Trump. (Trump thread #115)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 01/12/2020 13:39

Here it is.
Thanks @BruceandNosh for the title.

And still we persist.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4084369-Figures-Don-t-Lie-But-Liars-Do-Figure-Trump-thread-114?msgid=102240605#102240605

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 13/12/2020 18:29

Just posting to keep this thread appearing in TIO.

Ivanka Trump, senator? Please no.

Roussette · 13/12/2020 18:37

Ivanka Trump, as if... her with the breathy stupid voice...

"Ivanka definitely has political ambitions, no question about it,” a source told CNN. “She wants to run for something, but that still needs to be figured out.”

Grin
PerkingFaintly · 13/12/2020 19:10

A bus?

Life?

The Guinness Book of Records for [redacted]?

DoctorTwo · 13/12/2020 19:33

“She wants to run for something, but that still needs to be figured out.”

Let's hope they get her to run for a bus.

DoctorTwo · 13/12/2020 19:35

@PerkingFaintly beat me to it, I'm a slow reader and made the mistake of not refreshing the thread. :o

Anniegetyourgun · 13/12/2020 19:42

She'll be running for the hills if Daddy doesn't manage to cut a good immunity deal with the incoming administration.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/12/2020 20:37

I still really do not understand why anyone not an imbecile would think Trump has concrete or actual evidence of voter fraud but has not yet produced it.

What possible motive would he have for not showing the proof? During November?

lionheart · 13/12/2020 21:55

I'm not sure how many of them really believe it. But they can always square the circle by citing massive conspiracies and deep state swampiness blah de blah.

Cacacoisfarraige · 13/12/2020 22:06

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/12/2020 22:06

Oh, you mean like those people who used to explain absolutely everything in Biblical history (particularly manna, and the parting of the Red Sea, but it spread out from there in all directions) and much of everything else by citing the arrival of the comet Venus? (Velikovsky was probably spinning in his grave at 78rpm by the end.)

AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2020 23:01

'But as the president continues to refuse to concede, a small group of his most loyal backers in Congress is plotting a final-stage challenge on the floor of the House of Representatives in early January to try to reverse Mr. Biden’s victory.'

If they're talking about challenging the votes on 6 Jan, it takes more than just a 'small group' in the House of Reps. It takes ONE House Rep and ONE Senator to file a joint written objection, and then a majority vote in BOTH houses to uphold the objection. And they'd have to do it successfully enough times to reduce Joe's EC majority to below 270.

Good luck with that.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/12/2020 00:48

Tomorrow is the EC vote

Per NYT article:

"The electors don’t meet in one place or at one time; some start at 10 a.m. Eastern, and most vote in the afternoon. California, the crucial state for Mr. Biden to achieve 270 Electoral College votes, meets at 5 p.m. Eastern."

www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/us/politics/electoral-college.html

Behind a paywall, but it lets me view in private browsing.

FUBARandSNAFU · 14/12/2020 01:17

I read that trump, pence and other WH officials will be first in line getting the vaccine as soon as it is ready to go. Ermm I thought it was fake, just the flu, already incredibly immune, blah blah blah.

Whatever will the trumpers think about their fearless leader getting a vaccine for a disease that is a hoax. Will they be lining up too?

Pisses me off though as isn't the focus suppose to be on the vulnerable and the frontline workers.

lionheart · 14/12/2020 01:59

At least it will give some protection to the WH and security staff who work with them.

FUBARandSNAFU · 14/12/2020 02:29

I would think they would have to vaccinate all of the guests they have invited to all the holiday parties at the WH too if there is any hope to protect the staff. Also they need to have two shots and 'time' in order for them to no longer be a risk. And of course more of the elderly and vulnerable will become ill/die as the vaccines are given to the rich and powerful.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 14/12/2020 07:45

@lifesabitchandthenyoudie - here's a response to that Epstein article. I gather there was quite a furore online about it.
www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/dr-jill-biden-wall-street-journal/2020/12/13/e43883a4-3d45-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html

Roussette · 14/12/2020 07:59

I am so glad Dr. Biden has responded because it was a mean artile in the Wapo. It would never ever have been written about a man.

On Sunday night, Jill Biden tweeted: “Together, we will build a world where the accomplishments of our daughters will be celebrated, rather than diminished.”

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 14/12/2020 08:03

Dan Rather, sane as usual and mostly optimistic:

"During World War II, there was a very real and rational fear that American democracy would not survive. The danger was obvious, visceral, and violent. It was promulgated by tanks, bombs, and battleships. It was measured on maps that traced the march of armies, the swarming of navies, and the decimation of cities by aerial assault. America sat within her borders and could feel a world of madness and hatred closing in.

Since the attack came from the outside, the human inclination was to rally within one's own community for safety. That community was riven with its own violent injustices of segregation and the ugliness manifested against its citizens of Japanese ancestry. But the threat from outside was so great and would be likely so unsparing that America hardened its resolve with nearly miraculous levels of selflessness and sacrifice to the cause of survival. The cost was great in blood, particularly of the young overseas, and in treasure.

It is likely that many of you have a sense of where this is going, the comparison I seek to make.

American democracy is once again under a dire threat. Once again there is death at a scale that is incomprehensible. But the threat is of such a different nature that it may be too convenient to deny the full level of danger. This threat comes from within, a civil cleaving that instead of uniting the nation is dividing it. Perilously so.

This is not a violent threat, at least not yet despite some low-level skirmishes. That could change, but there is nothing approaching the reckoning of Nazi forces sweeping into Paris or a Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor. Meanwhile, the mass death we face doesn't lend itself to the visceral images of war. Our killer doesn't have a face or a flag. It is invisible. Instead of sending our young off to battle overseas, we have medical professionals, grocery store clerks, farmhands, and many others commuting daily into danger. We are mostly aware of what takes place within our four walls of isolation and the looming specter of hunger and homelessness for many of

our fellow citizens.

But there is of course another deep worry pervasive in this country. It is about America's heretofore unbroken peaceful transfer of power between presidents. It is the notion that all of us, regardless of party, play by and revere the same democratic ideal that we the people have the power to fire our leaders in free and fair elections. This election has revealed a president who doesn't believe any of that, and a party and base that is eager to go along with him. This is not fringe; it is a movement that encompassess tens of millions of Americans. And to defeat it and preserve American democracy will require resolve, patience, ingenuity, and grit.

I believe that the nature of this threat to American democracy is not being taken nearly seriously enough. And in an odd way I find some comfort in that. I still do not believe most Americans want our ideal of representative government by majority rule to end, not by a long shot. It is tempting to laugh off the outrageousness of the court challenges and see a pathetic man desperate to hold on to fleeting power. There is truth in all of this, and I suspect Donald Trump will struggle to own the national conversation as much as he hopes once he loses his perch behind the presidential podium.

Yet the fissures laid bare by this election, and its shameful aftermath, are not going away. And every Republican official who signed their name, or even spoke by their silence, bears responsibility for what has been the most serious attempt to wreck our union internally since the Civil War. I hope, and pray, we as a nation can walk back from the ledge, that the passions can cool, and a new administration can steer our American ship of state back into the safer harbors of our democratic traditions. The struggle will not be easy, but if victory for American democracy does emerge, and I believe it will, we can resolve to make it much more secure so that this doesn't happen again.

In the dark days of World War II, it was almost impossible to imagine a bright and happy future. But that did happen. Today, we have a vaccine coming and a new government. There is danger still ahead, but hope is possible. It is a hope that must be built on hard work and action. But I would go so far as to say a realization of hope is the likely outcome. I have seen America tested many times, and usually we end up in a better place than where we started.

Steady."

BruceAndNosh · 14/12/2020 09:08

@lionheart

At least it will give some protection to the WH and security staff who work with them.
I suspect only senior staff in direct contact with Trump will be vaccinated. The poor cleaner that has to clean his toilet won't.

Trump could do some good by allowing his vaccination to be shown on news to encourage his reluctant followers. Doubt that he will m

Grrrpredictivetex · 14/12/2020 09:17

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338325735778476035?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Apparently White House people not getting vaccinations first.
Does Donny boy actually need it as he's already had the 'made up virus'?

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 09:21

Anyone else intrigued by the demise of Trump and sudden rise in Prince Andrew stories ?

Roussette · 14/12/2020 09:42

Ghislaine is singing like a bird maybe

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 09:46

@Roussette

Ghislaine is singing like a bird maybe
I'm guessing that the magic cloak of POTUS protection is starting to look a bit transparent ?

A pardoned Trump is also a Trump that will need to answer questions about his friends - or go to jail. I'm guessing a few people have consulted some real lawyers and getting their ducks in a row ?

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