To think songs from the 90s and 00s were just as sexual as WAP

[Sedih]

DD 23 played me WAP and I felt old, obviously I had the Typical mum reaction.

However she asked me about whether I had songs like this when I was younger and I remembered

Khia: my neck, my back

Madonna - Erotica

I’m sure there are countless others.

So why is WAP so shocking to us ladies in our 40s and 50s?

Surely WAP is the same thing as these hits ?

I think WAP is more explicit because of the verse when she talks about literally being choked by a dick.

Also, also, the line "swipe his nose like a credit card"... Is that in her vagina? over her clitoris? Is that something that feels good? Have I been doing sex wrong all these years???? CONFUSING.

dayslike, it's the sound it makes when you stir it haha

I don't find the song shocking OP but to answer your question the difference is because the song is built around a wet vagina, it's about undeniable female pleasure rather than just sex.

I think its quite sad that in this day and age people find the idea of a woman enjoying sex and taking about what she enjoys to be controversial.

Does this have to involve calling women whores though?

@jennie0412

So, it's only feminist if it fits your ideas of what sex should involve?

How dare they like it differently to you, tut tut.

No, but its suprising just how many women in popular culture, porn, music videos and songs enjoy violent sex, BDSM, anal, being strangled etc. Way way more than women I know in real life it would seem.

People would absolutely have batted an eye if a straight male singer released a song about his love of sissification porn, for instance, and titled it "Big Hard D*"

But we've become so numbed to porn as a society that we've started to see its tropes as natural manifestations of a woman's sexuality. Like, of course she wants to be dominated. Of course she wants to choked. Of course that turns her on

@yetanothernamitynamechange Couldn't have put it better myself.

Because those women have a platform to talk about it, and if you're writing a song about sex, you're going to be talking (usually) about what you enjoy.
Women irl aren't going to be going up to their friends and telling them exactly what they enjoy in bed, are they?
Also, some women may feel ashamed, so even if asked about it, won't say what they really like, for fear of looks.
Even more reason songs like WAP are empowering.

Like, of course she wants to be dominated. Of course she wants to choked. Of course that turns her on hmm

So what if she does?

Somewhere I've got a CD of popular songs from the 20s and 30s that were absolutely filthy. Before I first listened to it I was expecting some relatively tame innuendo, I was a little shocked by how explicit it was, maybe not quite WAP standards, but would definitely still raise eyebrows today.

Wayne Marshall ‘G Spot’ and ‘Orgy’ and Ginuwine ‘Pony’ spring to mind 😂

@InglouriousBasterd

I heard ‘freak me’ by Another Level the other day - we used to sing that as young teens!! It’s pretty filthy. I forgot about the neck and back one too... not to mention the dancers in music videos to be fair.

It’s not by them! Outrageous they covered it and the original was by ‘Silk’ excellent song.

'Trina - Da baddest bitch' is on par with WAP, IMO!

@jennie0412

Like, of course she wants to be dominated. Of course she wants to choked. Of course that turns her on hmm

So what if she does?

Because they're not her own desires, in the vast majority of cases. They're men's desires, indoctrinated into them via the oh-so-misogynistic medium of porn. Most women don't actually want to be strangled, slapped around the face, ejaculated in the face, anally penetrated, etc. But they think they have to seem up for porn practices to be a "cool girl" and keep male interest. There's nothing authentic or empowering about it.

I’m actually amazed that people are trying to claim that a song that begins and ends with ‘there’s some whores in the house’ on repeat is somehow an empowering portrayal of female sexuality.

I do agree that the lyrics sounds like a very dubious pornhub search history.

Because they're not her own desires, in the vast majority of cases. They're men's desires

Did you speak to Cardi and Megan personally? Did they confide that, actually, they don't want that?

No?
Ah, thought so.

Jamie Foxx STORM has hilarious lyrics

Wanna feel your raindrops fallin' down all on me
That thunder from down under surrounding me
Coming down hard pounding me
Let me feel the raindrops fallin' down all over my love
I want it soakin' wet all over the bed
I want the rain to come
Let me feel the raindrops fallin' down all over my love
I want it soakin' wet all over the bed
I want the rain to come

I don’t think the lyrics are that bad. Pretty much the entire song she’s on top and bragging about all the things her man has to do for her WAP- buy a car, pay her tuition, get her jewelry, how she doesn’t cook or clean
She says “I tell him where to put it” meaning it’s about what she wants, not what he wants. She says “in the food chain I’m the one that eat ya” saying she’s apex predator to the man who she calls a “bottom feeder”
She even claims ownership, where she says if while fucking he asks “whose is it?” She says she’s going to spell her name- meaning that’s her dick, not his pussy. Even the verse where she talks about handcuffs, leashes, switching her wig the S&M stuff she says “Put him on his knees” meaning she’s the mistress and he’s the submissive.

See, this is getting side tracked from the original question but me and my friends DO talk about sex and what we enjoy (and oddly we do enjoy sex despite not being whores which is confusing I know). The topic of strangling, anal etc has come up because lots of us have stories about men randomly trying this stuff on and the general agreement was none of us wanted it. Which is not to say a woman is in the wrong for wanting that sort of thing. Or for talking about it. I don't have a problem with CardiB and Meghan Thee Stalion singing about it (not that they should care if they did). I just think calling it empowering is a bit of a stretch. E.g., I ate some chocolate today. But, get this, I'm a WOMAN so it was EMPOWERING. whoop.

Although actually, even if someone male or female does WANT to be strangled they probably still shouldnt go for it, because it is inherently dangerous and anyone who says there is a "safe" way to strangle someone is talking bullshit. I wouldn't agree to strangle a man if he asked because I wouldnt want to risk accidentally killing them no matter how empowering they found it.

@PlanDeRaccordement

I don’t think the lyrics are that bad. Pretty much the entire song she’s on top and bragging about all the things her man has to do for her WAP- buy a car, pay her tuition, get her jewelry, how she doesn’t cook or clean She says “I tell him where to put it” meaning it’s about what she wants, not what he wants. She says “in the food chain I’m the one that eat ya” saying she’s apex predator to the man who she calls a “bottom feeder” She even claims ownership, where she says if while fucking he asks “whose is it?” She says she’s going to spell her name- meaning that’s her dick, not his pussy. Even the verse where she talks about handcuffs, leashes, switching her wig the S&M stuff she says “Put him on his knees” meaning she’s the mistress and he’s the submissive.

Most of those lyrics are Meghan Thee Stallion's rather than Cardi B though. Her lyrics deffinately come across as more in control.

My dd16 played it in the car the other day . I sang along and said I liked the beat and found the lyrics empowering. She hasn't played it since

Did no one else listen to Swing Beat in the 90’s?
Freak me - Silk (Another level covered it)
Knockin da boots - H Town
Freak like me - Adina Howard
There were albums of the stuff

Read the actual lyrics to Grease Lightening, tame compared to these others but you didn’t know it was sexual immediately right?

Sex has always been referenced in songs

Maybe not as obviously but it’s there

Come together by The Beatles was banned by the BBC (come together right now over me)

The original I get a Kick out of You a great jazz song referenced using cocaine