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Foreign Aid budget cut

266 replies

MellowBird85 · 26/11/2020 14:25

Do you agree with it?

YANBU - Yes it was the right decision to cut it.
YABU - No they should’ve left it alone.

OP posts:
Theworldisfullofgs · 26/11/2020 21:36

Should add, PPE contracts that have been proved to get not value for money or substandard so not any good - actual corruption, here in thus country.

Holothane · 26/11/2020 21:40

No I haven’t read the whole thread sorry for being so stupid I’ll fuck off then bye,

RainbowParadise · 26/11/2020 21:41

@Holothane

No I haven’t read the whole thread sorry for being so stupid I’ll fuck off then bye,
I guess it might be a bit long!
Theworldisfullofgs · 26/11/2020 21:48

What's the point of a thread if you don't read it?

DillonPanthersTexas · 26/11/2020 21:49

Really? we carved up Africa, using arbitrary boundaries

I assume the 'we' you are referring to is the Berlin conference where the Germans, Italians, French, Spanish, Belgians, Dutch, Austrians and yes the Brits agreed on the various sphere of influence.

we allowed these dictators free rein because they carried on supporting the UK via the commonwealth.

Not really, Bokassa was dictator of the central African Republic, a former French colony, and Mobutu was president of the DRC, a former Belgian colony, neither were in the commonwelth. Most former British colonies willingly signed up to the commonwealth, an organisation that did not offer much in any real sense to either Britain or the former colonies.

We stood by and allowed them to screw over their peoples

The strong men dictators in africa tilted to either Russia or the USA in the cold War power plays with the benefit from either camps being access to arms and finance. Anyway, having just been 'kicked out' how would you propose that a rapidly fading former colonial power that had been under huge global postwar pressure to give up its colonial possessions intervene to remove belligerent dictators without the predictable accusations of meddling or neo colonialism or putting boots on the ground.

the UK and other colonial powers are equally responsible for the mess we left.

Which is a bollocks statement really. In Africa British colonies by and large transitioned to independence via the ballot box and formal timetabled handover as a result of both internal and external pressure by various independence movements. French handovers were a mixed bag with peaceful independence gained in the likes of Senegal where as Algeria was a result of violent rebellion. Chad and Car were pretty much abandoned and bottom of the pile were the DRCs and Guinea Bissaus of this world which were stripped bare of any manufacturing base when the Portuguese and Belgians left leaving them starting from scratch.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 26/11/2020 21:51

Totally supportive for all the reasons stated here

Anothertiredmother · 26/11/2020 21:58

YANBU long over due

thecatsatonthewall · 26/11/2020 22:03

@DillonPanthersTexas

I said this... We stood by and allowed them to screw over their peoples, the UK and other colonial powers are equally responsible for the mess we left

So, yes WE means the former colonial power, of which Britain was one of the largest, in fact our empire was the largest wasn't it?

Cutting our FA budget gives carte blanche to other countries to also cut theirs too, at a time when China & Russia have been expanding their support in Asia and Africa, v short sighted, plus of course it means more migration from Africa/middle east etc to the West.

Nat3kids · 26/11/2020 22:06

YABU
Surprised that people haven’t learnt from the current pandemic that our major problems have to be tackled at a global level. Not to mention the sheer heartlessness of what they are doing.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 26/11/2020 22:17

@Theworldisfullofgs

Why are people bothered about this but not so bothered about the ÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁ that the government have given to their mates on PPE contracts including the landlord of Matt Hancock's village pub?
What makes you think it is either/ or? It is standard advice that in dangerous situations you protect yourself first and then other people. The point that it goes towards non-altruistic projects, essentially bribery by another name then, only goes to underline how corrupt the whole system is. Why then do you expect the ordinary people working 12 hour days with little to show for it not get a little fed up from time to time? Many of us do not benefit from thus supposed economy boosts - we have the largest inequality in Europe. We never did.
DillonPanthersTexas · 26/11/2020 22:18

Cutting our FA budget gives carte blanche to other countries to also cut theirs too

Why, are other countries FA budgets pegged against Britain's? The reduction down to 0.5% still keeps Britain as one of higher FA donars.

Anyway, the Chinese money pumping into Africa for the last two decades is certainly not 'support' or aid, its usually just appropriation of state assets and mineral rights, some might call it neo colonialism.

woodhill · 26/11/2020 22:21

Wish they'd scrap that stupid railway HS2 which is destroying our countryside

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 26/11/2020 22:24

^Definitely agree with that!

cinammonbuns · 26/11/2020 22:26

this thread is disgusting but I cannot say I’m surprised. For people who think cutting foreign aid will eliminate homelessness.....well you really can’t argue with stupid.

MiddleClassMother · 26/11/2020 22:31

Yes they should stop foreign aid, and a lot of other stupid expenditure (world class military, super fast trains etc) when we borrow billions every year. We live beyond our means and something has to give, sorry🤷🏼‍♀️

thecatsatonthewall · 26/11/2020 22:33

@DillonPanthersTexas

Cutting our FA budget gives carte blanche to other countries to also cut theirs too

Why, are other countries FA budgets pegged against Britain's? The reduction down to 0.5% still keeps Britain as one of higher FA donars.

Anyway, the Chinese money pumping into Africa for the last two decades is certainly not 'support' or aid, its usually just appropriation of state assets and mineral rights, some might call it neo colonialism.

The UK's cut sends the message that other countries can cut too.

I think you have missed the point on Chinese aid, we cannot match the 100s of billions they have poured into the developing world but our humanitarian aid can and does make a difference.

I am not Camerons greatest fan but the 0.7 FA budget increase was an excellent thing to do.

If this money was going to the UK's poor then i could see some logic in the move but its going to the military & schools nhs etc will be cut.

kittykat35 · 26/11/2020 22:39

I think Bill Gates does enough and other billionaires should follow his example.

@laudemio but they do....there's a hell of a lot of philanthropists out there! More than you know...I have a friend who attends annual events held by and with them (a lot of them are ppl you would have never heard of!) they discuss worthy causes etc etc. A lot of donations are made anonymously.

FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue · 26/11/2020 22:46

If Corbyn had proposed building a new rail line you would so have been in favour of it. Public transport - tick. Greener than cars - tick. Provide more jobs - tick. Benefit the North not the evil southerners - tick.

But enough of the tangent, yes I think we should reduce our foreign aid budget as we're at the start of an economic disaster. But I think we should put a fixed end date on the reduction - say 12 months - and then increase it again, subject to an audit of where the money is going.

Tessiot · 26/11/2020 22:49

@MellowBird85

And the very idea of giving aid to a country like India who are prioritising a space program over investing in stuff like plumbing so people have access to toilets and women don’t face getting raped while going out for a wee is fucking enraging.

I had no idea about this @AnneLovesGilbert Shock Absolutely diabolical.

That has always worried me to be honest. And the caste system there. Never understood why we send aid there.
DemolitionBarbie · 26/11/2020 22:49

They're planning to hold a festival of Brexit for ÂŁ29m.

The same people who argue we should help our own first also refuse to help our own with free school meals etc.

united4ever · 26/11/2020 22:54

My understanding is that the Chinese are making huge loans to build infrastructure that enables them to get natural resources out (to be shipped to china) but if the LMIC defaults on the loan the conditions mean that the Chinese will then own that infrastructure.

Should maintain the 0.7%. There is no absolute poverty in UK, only relative poverty. Absolute poverty is household income of less than ÂŁ1 a day. Those hundreds of millions should be helped as a priority but I agree about the difficulties of the help reaching them.

Unsure33 · 26/11/2020 23:15

If you listened to what he said , we will however be helping a lot of these countries with the vaccine . So correctly that should be the priority atm.

And I agree India should get its priorities in order as should China .

Unsure33 · 26/11/2020 23:17

@united4ever

That can’t be right ? Everyone was saying children need free lunches , so something wrong with your statement

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/11/2020 23:24

Quite refreshing to see the voting - if it's that popular on MN I'd have thought it'll certainly be supported by the wider public

And even with the reduction we'll still be half way up the top 10 of donors, so I'm comfortable with that

united4ever · 26/11/2020 23:35

Well that is how the World Bank defines it (though you are right it is more like ÂŁ1.50 or $2.16 a day now - it was a dollar a day when I studied development economics a good few years ago)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_poverty

734 million with income that low:( and that is measured with purchasing power parity to eliminate differences in cost of local goods.