Disturbing footage from outside parliament

[Wildswim]

I think this is a disturbing incident and agree with the MP for raising it in parliament (not that anyone was there to listen).

A woman was manhandled into a van by a posse of policemen. She had been peacefully protesting and not causing any disturbance.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8983215/Tory-MP-rages-police-bundle-old-woman-van-protesting-outside-Parliament.html

I suspect she loved every second of the drama - I wouldn't worry about her 'losing her dignity', i'm sure she is a seasoned protestor.

Also, our police are doing a great job under difficult circumstances. I, for one, won't join in the attacks on our brilliant police.

“Victim blaming” “chilling” 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Covid regs - no groups, she should know better and is possibly vulnerable due to age. Arrest was valid. People are so keen to police bash, walk a mile in their shoes and see the way they are treated first.

@flaviaritt

The law is wrong. It is against our human rights to disallow peaceful political protest.

It's also against our human rights to have our health threatened by fools who refuse to comply with social distancing guidance/legislation in the midst of a pandemic. If we are playing human rights top trumps my right to life beats your right to peaceful process every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If the powers that be are still forcing social distancing on us long after the virus has subsided I'll listen to you. But as long as 100s of people are dying daily I'll reserve the right to dismiss your implied suggestions of totalitarian shenanigans as the output of a feeble mind (or one of Putin's cyber saboteurs).

It's also against our human rights to have our health threatened by fools who refuse to comply with social distancing guidance/legislation in the midst of a pandemic.

That isn’t what is happening here, though. A socially distanced outdoor protest is not in any way a direct threat to you. So no, it isn’t against your human rights for another person to exercise their legitimate right to political protest, unless they are doing so six inches from your immovable face.

She wasn't breaking the law 😂

Who are any of you to know? She could be wanted for murder 🤔

A socially distanced outdoor protest is not in any way a direct threat to you.

Exactly. So why are people so blasé about people being arrested for this? I guess fear has made people lose all perspective. Human and civil rights are hard won and very easily removed.

I think people don't understand how fragile our democracy and democratic rights are. All it takes is for an emergency for them to be rescinded on a large scale, and for draconian restrictions to be introduced, as we've seen. Very few are protesting, and those who do are being persecuted, arrested, fined, jeered at and made fun of. Chilling indeed.

I guess fear has made people lose all perspective.

And it’s made them desperate for control.

It's interesting that so many people are suddenly concerned with 'democratic rights' and yet voter turnout in general elections doesn't even reach 70 percent.

The current restrictions allow protest and ask that risk assessments are completed. The first step is always to explain they had not been sent away immediately they had hours during which they protested at the location they said they would. There were numerous conversations before this action so maybe those supporting feel that the right to protest had been respected and as a compromise this group should not expect to spend all day breaching COVID-19 restrictions

@flaviaritt

It's also against our human rights to have our health threatened by fools who refuse to comply with social distancing guidance/legislation in the midst of a pandemic.

That isn’t what is happening here, though. A socially distanced outdoor protest is not in any way a direct threat to you. So no, it isn’t against your human rights for another person to exercise their legitimate right to political protest, unless they are doing so six inches from your immovable face.

It's not just me personally that has a right to life and it wasn't a socially distanced protest which is exactly why she ended up being arrested.

She was arrested because she was part of a group that was breaching coronavirus restrictions and she refused to disperse when given the choice to do so. She is still able to protest peacefully, just not in the specific manner she was insisting on. She could have walked away when directed. She refused and got carried. All her own choice, the whole damn thing. So no shits given by me, other than for the police officers who had to come into close physical contact with an individual who clearly doesn't give a toss about social distancing during a pandemic.

@Jijithecat

It's interesting that so many people are suddenly concerned with 'democratic rights' and yet voter turnout in general elections doesn't even reach 70 percent.

I haven’t mentioned “democratic rights”. It’s civil liberty I’m concerned about and how little some people appear to value it. Terrifying.

As for socially distanced it was not which had you been there you would know

TooTrueToBeGood

Your ‘right to life’ doesn’t mean exactly what it says. We all die. You have no right to live, and no right to force everyone else to protect your life rather than exercise their own rights. Your government can’t take your life arbitrarily. That’s what the right to life in human rights law refers to.

What was she doing that meant it wasn’t socially distanced?

I feel sorry for the police, having to deal with this idiotic, attention seeking person.

She was told to move along and told she could be arrested if she didn’t. She refused to leave and when they went to arrest her she adopted the ‘floppy’ passive resistance approach that meant she had to be carried to the van.

She was told to move along and told she could be arrested if she didn’t. She refused to leave and when they went to arrest her she adopted the ‘floppy’ passive resistance approach that meant she had to be carried to the van.

Person legally disallowed from political protest protests against this. That is what her stance requires: not complying with this law.

@vinyldetective my post wasn't addressed to you. The OP however has mentioned democratic rights.

She was told to move along

And why should she? The right to protest is a civil right and also a democratic right. If a government brings in laws that people disagree with , a citizen have the basic right to peacefully protest. If they don't, we're talking an authoritarian regime, not a democracy.

It bothers me that women are easier targets for the police in cases like this, but the way to not get arrested is not the break the law.

There is no exemption for "I really want to" or "but me human rights" there are laws and penalties and if you don't approve of some of them then remember that next time you vote. You have no direct say in them being enforced and nor should you.

I'm pretty sure burglars/muggers etc would like to stop people being arrested for those crimes too. "it taint fair' the burglars would say "I as the right to go where I please. it be my freedom of movement"

"fear has made people lose all perspective" wrong. I've not lost any sleep over covid. However I know that we've had to have stricter restrictions because of those deliberately ignoring the precautions and I'm tired of the whole thing now.

It's like kids playing up on a long car journey and I want to say "behave a little longer. We're nearly there now"

There is no exemption for "I really want to" or "but me human rights"

There are exemptions for “me human rights”. People didn’t just make up their human rights. There are laws we are signatory to and they guarantee them.

@flaviaritt

She was told to move along and told she could be arrested if she didn’t. She refused to leave and when they went to arrest her she adopted the ‘floppy’ passive resistance approach that meant she had to be carried to the van.

Person legally disallowed from political protest protests against this. That is what her stance requires: not complying with this law.

endangering lives as a protest has always been illegal. They arrested guy fawkes too.

endangering lives as a protest has always been illegal. They arrested guy fawkes too.

Do you really think like this?

Protesting against a pandemic.

When a ship is sinking your right to use the first class lounge may be temporarily limited.

Your right to enter a public building such as a town hall may be removed if the building is currently burning down.

Your right to get closer to a car accident to gawk may be abridged even if it's on a public highway.

Bored now.

Op you clearly haven't even read the article, or just can't read at all.

They were told that they were breaching covid rules, it wasn't a socially distanced protest, they were bunched together. They were told to obey the law, they refused. They were told to leave, she refused. If they had been peaceful, they would have stood far apart and away from everyone to protest. They didn't, probably to get you frothing at the mouth when they get arrested. It worked, you were drawn in and fell for it.