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To just forget about my controlling MIL this Christmas?

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SkittlesRainbow · 24/11/2020 13:53

My controlling MIL has caused us endless grief over the years. If we do not do as she wishes, she will give us the silent treatment, leaving us feeling guilty and trying to get back in her good books. When we had children this issue escalated and she got annoyed a lot more frequently (breastfeeding was an issue, nap times did not fit her schedule, she bad-mouthed us to our children, endless criticism about our parenting in general, I could go on for days with more specific examples but it would be outing…).

We found this cycle of game playing emotionally draining and stressful. In recent years, we consciously stopped making as much effort to fix things when she fell out with us and left her to stew a little. We would still reach out first - but after we had given ourselves breathing space. Although it made things slightly more bearable, it led to her developing a grudge and she started bad mouthing us to the whole family. She has convinced some members that she is a victim and we have been extremely cruel to her for no reason, that we were trying to cut her out of the grandchildren’s life due to the space in between contact (she didn't mention that she would never reach out to enquire after them, and we never ignored her).

The result is that the family has now split in two, with one sibling (that has no family of their own) cutting contact with us entirely and claiming they hate us, and another sibling firmly on our side as they experienced similar issues when they had children. My FIL has spoken to us separately and said he knows it’s all her problem, but that he has now ‘given up fighting’. He won’t defend us in front of her, only when there is no one around (he is not allowed to speak to us without her there and on speaker and she answers his messages, so it is rare we hear from him). He is clearly depressed, and he has told us that she has made him feel like he is a bad person his whole life. On the other hand, MIL has told everyone that we have destroyed the last years of his life and ruined their mental health – being blamed for that angers me the most. I feel my FIL is the victim of abuse, whereas my husband feels completely let down and disappointed that he won’t support us and allows her to cause so many problems, especially when he claims he knows it's her fault.

The effects of not getting on with MIL make us feel as emotionally drained as when we just let her dictate everything. I hate the fact that the family are at war constantly, and have been for years now. My kids birthdays and Christmases are framed by drama and I feel anxious in the build up, wondering what they will do next. It might be a text message or phone call to let us know how we have ruined their life, or it could be another family member calling to tell us that they are cutting us out. If it wasn’t for the one sibling standing by us, we would be all alone. We believed we had a close relationship with those that aren’t speaking to us anymore and I can’t understand how people are so easily convinced to cut us out without ever asking to hear our side. What bothers me most that although MIL claims it is all about the grandchildren, yet she never even tries to contact them - not even on their birthday. It’s like she is not interested in them whatsoever.

In my ideal world we would all just get on and have fun together. I don’t understand how we have managed to achieve the opposite of this. I try to tell myself that all I need to do is accept that this is not something I can fix, and that it may always be this way. I feel so confused, frustrated, and angry about the situation and how each year it feels worse than before.

I am writing this now, as I am trying to work out what to do for Christmas to ease my worrying, half of the time I think its best if I just stay out of it and let my DH deal with it alone (he won't get them a present, he probably won't arrange to visit). The other half of the time I think that if I made an effort and got them a nice gift from the children and tried to see them for some quality time, it might stop the drama for once. As I write this I remember times I have tried this before and it has just backfired. I wish I could just forget about them altogether but I worry what the repercussions are, and I worry a lot for my FIL.

Has anyone been in a similar same situation and is further down the line than we are? What can I do to make this better -for myself if not everyone else?

OP posts:
Winterwoollies · 24/11/2020 14:10

Why are still bothering with the poisonous old trout when she does nothing but give you hell?

Bin her off. Don’t bother getting in touch, don’t waste your money on presents for her, stop trying to make her like you. You’ll feel a lot better and freer, I suspect.

Try to keep in touch with your FIL, the poor sod sounds completely done in by her.

Have a nice family Christmas at home without her destroying everything and making you feel like she does.

Even when you do try she’s vile about you so don’t bother.

AnnaMagnani · 24/11/2020 14:16

Forget about them. Even you know when you have tried, it has backfired - why keep repeating the same mistakes over and over?

Your FIL may be ground down by her but ultimately he doesn't back his son up. He could have left years ago if she was that back but he doesn't. Neither does he set his daughter right or all the other flying monkeys - or even just tell her to put a sock in it.

He gets something out of being her enabler - the fact that everyone thinks he is a dear sweet saint for being married to her? He has a nice life with all his meals made and his sheets washed? Whatever it is, sticking up for 2 of his kids is less important to him than rocking the boat.

lifestooshort123 · 24/11/2020 14:23

I'd leave them all to get on with it! If anyone should be bothered it's your DH - they're his crappy family - so tell him you're done with them. Concentrate on your own little unit and ignore any texts or nasty phone calls. Your FIL is pathetic and shouldn't let her bully people like this so don't worry about him. Have you got your own family nearby? I hope so.

Blahblahface · 24/11/2020 14:29

What will she honestly do if you don't contact her at all? Complain to FIL (which she does anyway) or slag you off to the rest of the family (which she does anyway).

You can't control what she does, what FIL does or what the rest of the family. But you can choose not to let it bother you.

Gremlinpoop · 24/11/2020 14:39

Not your parents so just leave them to it. Honestly it's not worth it. Concentrate on your own family if your DH doesn't do anything that's his issue.

SkittlesRainbow · 24/11/2020 14:50

Thank you to all who posted. There is a pretty consistent theme here, I know I need to get to a place where I can just step back and not let this bother me so much anymore. I wish I didn't feel so conflicted and anxious about it. I wish I didn't feel guilty when I am certain I have done everything I had the ability to do to stop this.

@lifestooshort123 yes I do have my own family and they are not at all like this. They love my DH very much. Part of me thinks this is the reason why I want this so much for him too. We are very lucky and privileged to have many good people in our life, which is why I am frustrated that I still let these people take control at times. I think it is because it affects my DH so much and he struggles to brush it under the carpet.

OP posts:
AlwaysCheddar · 24/11/2020 14:53

Step away, you’re enabling her appalling behaviour. She’s vile.

Poptart4 · 24/11/2020 15:10

You cant win with this woman no matter what you do. I agree you need to cut her out. Go non contact for your own sanity.

It hurts when people are so quick to believe lies about you, especially without even asking your side of the story. I would struggle with this too. But sadly you cant change what they think. Just step back and hopefully they will see her true colours for themselves one day.

MzHz · 24/11/2020 15:11

You’re being treated like this because you don’t stand up for yourself/each other/your kids.

Stop it now.

Stop caring about her feelings! She sure as shit doesn’t care about any of you!

If others (who will know what she’s like) choose to side with her, GOOD! That’s one more wanker identified and one less humongous let down when you realise they’re just like her.

Adopt the sayings “you can tell a lot about a poisonous mil by the company she keep” and “if you lie down with dogs you’re going to get fleas” and hold your heads high and keep moving

Dont phone, block her on everything and any flying monkeys she sends

Yup, life will be emptier, but it will be healthier for you and your kids and THAT is the only thing that matters

Inpeace · 24/11/2020 15:26

Are you me 🤔

I guess I’m a bit further down the line and with opposite players but for the avoidance of doubt if you are living my life like it sounds : your MIL is (like my father) the Drama. There is no separating the two.

: my mother (possibly your FIL in this scenario) is a down trodden double dealer - make no mistake that he is on whoever side he is speaking to at that point - there is no Switzerland in this type of toxic relationship

I have tried everything EVERYTHING.

I am now making the best job I can of being the outcast.

You are so right it is exhausting whatever you do or don’t do.

A particular bug bear we have in common : All birthdays and special occasions have been tainted and there is literally nothing to be done before during or after to fix this..sorry

AnnaMagnani · 24/11/2020 15:29

You've got your family and DH's nice sibling+family.

That's a lot of family. Go and have nice times with them. Ignore the rest who seem like a bunch of drama llamas.

MzHz · 24/11/2020 15:35

People like them love to upset on birthdays

So give yourself the best gift ever.

A big shiny BLOCK THEM

Soundbyte · 24/11/2020 15:35

How do any of you benefit from a relationship with her, because from your post it doesn’t seem like you do at all? If that’s the case then keep your distance and block the toxic witch. What are you feeling guilty about? You’re not causing this.

RumJerrySailorRum · 24/11/2020 15:36

Try your best to ignore.

Concentrate on the sibling who sees her for what she is and when and if other people comment just give them a hard stare say don't be ridiculous, you don't the truth and walk away.

Peach1886 · 24/11/2020 15:42

We have similarly toxic family members, on both sides, and after years of angst and trying to fix things for Christmas and Birthdays, the way I deal with it now is to do just enough so I know I've done something - a nice present, a phone call/text or a card, sometimes a combination of them. And then I leave them to get on with it, to respond, or more usually not, as they prefer. And if they do respond and start up with the negativity, I find I'm waiting for an important phone call or the doorbell goes...and I'm gone.

Result: Peach on the moral hilltop and able to relax and enjoy the occasion, toxic family swilling around in their own bile somewhere else but I don't know about it or have to deal with it. Job done!

picklemewalnuts · 24/11/2020 15:42

Have one last try (if you want to). Take control.

Inform her your family will visit her on 24th, 10am.
Plan the rest of your time to be out- at church, at your parents', at other brother's, at friends etc.

If they arrive unexpectedly, be 'just on the way out'.

Don't get drawn into any discussion about other times, etc. That's it. If they are there, great. If not, leave their presents and go.

Aquamarine1029 · 24/11/2020 15:48

By continuing to allow this toxic nightmare of a woman in your life, you have made yourself your own worst enemy. Step away permanently from all this, op. It's high time you do so.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 24/11/2020 15:50

What @picklemewalnuts said - but don't feel any necessity to go yourself - your DH family poisonous old trout on a mother why should you waste time going, Give DC the option of joining him if they want to, but don't force it.

lazylump72 · 24/11/2020 15:51

Op you will make yourself ill with all this worry.I promise you she willnot be feeling like you do.She willnot be worried about how you feel, she doesnt care less ..not a single toss for youyour dh and your kids.Its obvious. The only reson she is like she is is because she can be and she gets a right kick out of keeping you lot down....and the only reason she does this is because you let her.....Time now to say enought is enough and let her go to hell.You and your family deserve a happy life,You are allowing her to ruin your life,your every thought and your every good intention is getting you nowhere.You can only win this by taking away her hold on you and her power and the only way to do this is to not play her games anymore.If you are miserable and unhappy she will love that I promise you she will.....you just dont need that anymore.You have no need to cut her out you just back off and live your life..let her come to you and if she is reasonable after a period of silence then reassess,if she is still a cow fuck her back off again and refuse to engage until she can behave decently. If someone was doing this to someone you loved ie a good friend what wouldyou say to them? Stop being a target stop feeling like its all your fault its not its totally her.No more ..it will be the best thing you can do for you dh and your children I promise you.

Lampzade · 24/11/2020 15:51

I agree with others. Don’t even bother yourself.

PickAChew · 24/11/2020 15:55

Relish the silent treatment. Let her get on with it and stop wasting your energy trying to appease her.

Lampzade · 24/11/2020 15:56

Op, you will be so much happier when you detach from this woman and her issues. I promise you

StrippedFridge · 24/11/2020 15:57

My DH is the one with the bad MIL so I am on the opposite side to you. Leave it to your DH. He is right to do fuck all.

Look at it this way. His mum has treated him badly for years, his dad lets his son be hurt for the sake of an easy life, then along comes you suggesting that you can make MIL be normal through your masterful powers of being nice. You are victim blaming when you do this. Similarly you are belittling DH talking about poor abused FIL and are having a poor attitude to children hurt by toxic parents. Imagine the day when MIL turns on the grandchildren. Would you be OK with DH letting her do it, doing nothing, saying nothing, because he wants an easy life? That's what you are saying was OK for his dad to have done to him.

Mourn the loss of the fantasy of lovely ILs. Accept the reality. Value DH as the abused child here instead of making excuses for his abusers and looking to appease them. Let him cut them off of that's what he wants.

FlibbertyGiblets · 24/11/2020 16:00

Follow your husbands lead, cleave to him, don't undermine him by sending gifts. Let them be, they can suit themselves.

PS are you a member of the Four Tops? If yes go ahead with your talk of reaching out. No? Stop saying reach out.

forgetthehousework · 24/11/2020 16:08

Let your DC send their grandparents a card, then just don't think about her any more. As a pp has said this way you have the moral high ground, she can't say she's been ignored (well she can, of course, and probably will, but you'll know the truth) and it leaves an avenue for your DC if they wish to pursue the relationship in the future.
She sounds vile and I think you're a good person for even considering trying with her again.

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