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To notify Ofsted

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aibuofsted · 23/11/2020 19:23

No calls
I collected my son like this
It's his worst wound ever
He hurt his chin on the same toy last week

My son said he cried for me
School told him only if you go to hospitals

I got shown a form at collection time

OP posts:
5863921l · 23/11/2020 20:35

Yes, the proximity to the eye and the fact that he spent the rest of the day in a germ bath without it covered are worrying.

CouldBeOuting · 23/11/2020 20:36

At school we do a courtesy call home for head injuries. Anything above the neck is a head injury.

That looks like a friction burn from here. A burn to the face on a child should always have medical assessment.

Sweetpea84 · 23/11/2020 20:36

Aww poor love hope he’s ok!. My sons school rings even for a scratch so they should of done a form at least

notapizzaeater · 23/11/2020 20:37

Ouch, that looks really painful.

Purplecatshopaholic · 23/11/2020 20:39

Nothing to add op, just wanted to say what a cutie your son is. Hope he’s ok.

OhDearMuriel · 23/11/2020 20:40

That's an awful injury and totally unacceptable.

Do they actually watch the children or are the staff in a daydream!?

You need to find out exactly what happened and how they are going to avoid any future injuries - i.e. a) get rid of the toy b) be more vigilant etc.

VestaTilley · 23/11/2020 20:41

I’d be complaining to the class teacher and Head. Ofsted if it happens again.

Birdsong111 · 23/11/2020 20:42

@Melaniaswig

It almost looks like a burn or friction mark. A beautiful little boy, hope he’s soon feeling better, and you can get to the bottom of this.
This is what I thought when I saw it and like another poster has said it looks like a friction mark. I can’t see how any toy would do this and personally don’t think you are being told the whole truth. I wouldn’t be sending my child back there. That is pretty appalling and I would be really angry. Definitely call ofsted. Accidents happen but this is on another level. Poor little boy.
AmelieTaylor · 23/11/2020 20:55

[quote GreyWall]@aibuofsted you SHOULD NEVER POST FULL FACE PICS OF CHILDREN EVEN IF THEY ARE YOUR OWN!

This is awful yes but you don't need full-face pics![/quote]
STOP SHOUTING

People can post photos if they want to, it's not for you to tell them off.

FurrySlipperBoots · 23/11/2020 20:55

Everyone wondering what caused it, my money is on a ride-on toy he toppled off in the outdoor play area.

Feministicon · 23/11/2020 20:58

@FurrySlipperBoots

Everyone wondering what caused it, my money is on a ride-on toy he toppled off in the outdoor play area.
Exactly what I thought, it looks like a bad graze. They should have called you and let you decide whether to come and collect him.
MorganKitten · 23/11/2020 21:02

Ofsted aren’t going in to do checks at the moment. But the school did the same thing we’d do.

Thehop · 23/11/2020 21:02

I work in a private nursery and can’t believe a toy that causes this much damage is still there.

A head injury (anything above shoulders) should be an extra, specific, head bump form plus a usual accident form and a phone call home.

Can I ask what it is?

How is your son? He’s gorgeous by the way, but I would crop his face out if you can or ask MNHQ to remove.

bananaskinsnomnom · 23/11/2020 21:04

10 years of working in Early Years and I have seen it all, including so many standard tripping over while running and ending up with grazes in the most bizarre places as a result. I’ve learnt that children bruise and mark so easily. But I’m baffled by this one! The top part looks like a blister and the lower darker area sort of looks like a bruise? Could be the lighting - the middle looks like a scrape- my guess would be he’s fallen flat onto something - does toy translate to trike or push car (like a cozy coupe or such) in this instance? It almost looks like he’s toppled off some kind of moving play equipment whilst it’s moving (or someone else has “attached” to him and dragged him while his own moving toy was on its side - I’ve seen similar)

I fully agree here the mistake the nursery have made is not calling you and not giving you a proper explanation. The rule at my old nursery and at my current school is like someone above said - anything above the neck counts as the head and gets a phone call, severe or minor. Anything else is down to common sense - so a scraped knee won’t get a call but marks like your sons on another body part likely would put of courtesy. Though I will add that no parent ever comes rushing in or comes early even when’s theirs a giant egg on their child’s head.

I wouldn’t go pouncing to Ofsted yet or go in all guns blazing - however you do need to be firm for an explanation and ask why they didn’t ring you. The fact is a phone call doesn’t change what’s happened but it reduces the shock to you and is - to lack the word I need - polite? Demonstrates they care?

Like I say I’ve seen most things now and have made one error like this myself. My error was a child who managed to poke themselves in the cheek with the handle end of their knife at lunch and child was upset but I couldn’t see a mark so gave them an ice pack for a while and left it be. Well about an hour before they went home the bruise came up out of nowhere and it looked like they had been punched and obviously parents were not pleased. Lesson learnt.

Accidents happen however many safety protocols you put in place and however hard you watch them all (risks assessments bring the risk as low as possible but they can’t be eliminated). I’ve had a child trip and bang their head on the Community Play furniture before and require stitches (the perfectly round no sharp edges specifically for nurseries furniture still requires stitches when hit at the right angle). - likewise have had a child fall off a trike and fracture their arm on tarmac (it’s insane).
But - we knew what had happened, we saw what had happened, and explained it thoroughly to parents and reassessed the areas (tbh in both these instances not much could be done).

Op doesn’t seem to have had an explanation. Whilst eyes can’t be everywhere all the time they should know what happened - whether he fell on the toy, was whacked with the toy, where it happened - before you do anything OP you need to gauge this out of the staff. It should be on the form anyway - “fell over” isn’t enough. The forms have to be very specific. Your sons injuries are not good - if they can’t explain, and really have no idea - go higher. Is the nursery a chain? That’s a good place to start.

Establish why you weren’t informed earlier, establish the cause. Does it appear to be a genuine nasty accident and they should have phones but didn’t and the lack of call is the biggest crime? Or does it sound like dangerous toys were left out, children not attended well enough, bad practise basically!? Did they underestimate it at the time and therefore not ring? Ask to see manager - talk, calmly ask for explanation, it’s currently not good enough, you want to know how and why communication wasn’t there. Do this first and go from there.

I do hope your boy gets better soon, bless that adorable floppy hair.

Wheresmykimchi · 23/11/2020 21:06

Ofsted Hmm

Have you tried , you know , speaking to the nursery?

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 23/11/2020 21:06

That's bloody outrageous! The school should have absolutely called you.

Hylyma1234 · 23/11/2020 21:07

Poor little boy, bless his little heart!
I’m not sure what the policies are but as he hurt his chin on the same toy previously, the toy should have been removed immediately, so it’s definitely a health and safety concern. What toy was it?
Hope you’re ok too Flowers

purplecorkheart · 23/11/2020 21:10

Ouch your poor little fella. To me it looks like a friction burn (I got a bad friction burn as a kid and it looks very similar). I find it hard to see how a toy could have cause that.

Ace1185 · 23/11/2020 21:20

The nursery I work in classes any injury above the shoulder as a heaf injury and we must phone parents. This includes scratches, bumps, scrapes, being hit etc

PeggyPorschen · 23/11/2020 21:52

Absolutely unacceptable

You should at least have been called immediately. Even my kids primary school (KS1 AND Ks2) would call us about something like that. It's what any parent would reasonably expect.

The lack of care of the injury is shocking.

Accidents do happen, you need more details on what and why, but regardless, an immediate action is expected.

I hope he's ok and heals well.

Rockbird · 23/11/2020 21:58

Beautiful boy OP.

It's not technically a head wound so a phone call isn't strictly necessary if you go by the book. However, given the fact that it's a nasty looking injury you definitely should have received a call. Even if they didn't think it was serious, any injury like that, that would shock a parent when they see it should be reported to them before pick up.

I hope he's ok. It looks very sore.

frumpety · 23/11/2020 22:03

Fortunately he looks quite happy now, bless him Smile

I remember picking up DS1 from school and the teacher hiding him behind her before she explained the 'incident' where another child had gouged 3 tramlines out of his cheek with their fingernails , DS1 had bitten the child so no innocent parties, took 6 months for the scaring to fade ! I felt sorry for the other Mother as you could see her checking his face every week for signs of improvement.

Honestly OP, your little boy will come up with new and ingenious ways of injuring himself over the years, it's awful when it happens, its actually worse when you are there, in a way. It is a shock to the system every time. Smile

StirUp · 23/11/2020 22:10

OP, please ask MNHQ to take the pictures of your son down. They absolutely shouldn't be on the internet for all to see. If need be, just post a photo of the injury - but please don't identify your child.

Dita73 · 23/11/2020 22:11

What the hell were they letting him play with?! A bloody cheese grater?! I don’t know about ofsted but I’d be down there in the morning to let them know my feelings about it

nimbuscloud · 23/11/2020 22:20

Ouch
That’s very sore looking