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To think general knowledge quiz shows do not give a measure of intelligence, just of memorisation skills?

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pennypinchh · 21/11/2020 21:50

I am totally rubbish at all quiz shows, trying to play along on the couch and never know anything! But I don't understand why my family say I'm not that smart just because I don't know some obscure fact about the TV show Frasier, which I've never even seen! Has anyone else been shamed because of this?

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EBearhug · 22/11/2020 20:23

I agree that there is a correlation between memory and intelligence, though not exact. I agree with those who say it's about making connections.

It also depends on the quiz. When I was in my 20s, I used to go to quite a few pub quizzes. One we could win probably one week in three; another we were lucky if we even came in the top 3, let alone win it. The quiz-setter in the first obviously had more similar interests to us than in the second, as we had less guessing.

jambeforeclottedcream · 22/11/2020 20:25

Anyone else watching this show on itv right now about Who Wants to be a Millionaire???

derxa · 22/11/2020 21:14

@jambeforeclottedcream

Anyone else watching this show on itv right now about Who Wants to be a Millionaire???
me I love Judith
RightYesButNo · 22/11/2020 21:54

@babybythesea

I was just thinking about what people said about school. I am a TA. When I hear children read at school I never just hear them read. If a country is mentioned, I ask them if they know where the country is. If they don’t, we google it then and there. I ask them what words mean. If they don’t know, we see if we can work it out from the context and if not, we look to see if there is a glossary or something that will help us out. If not, we look it up. We google pictures of things mentioned that they aren’t sure about. The same as I do if I’m reading something. Kids I hear read spend about fifteen minutes with me and often only read a couple of pages but hopefully they learn to question what they are reading and to show the sort of curiosity that will lead them to making connections and having a good general knowledge that they can bring together.
@babybythesea, you’re a fabulous TA. I just hate that thanks to budgets, there’s only 15 minutes per child, but it sounds like you’re trying very hard to make the most of it. This is what my grandmother did with me when learning to read and I still now immediately look up words I don’t know or places unfamiliar to me when reading. It’s involved reading, and curiosity, and makes it all so much better; to come away from a book with words you didn’t know before, and to be able to visualize where the characters are, even if you haven’t visited there yourself. I may never make it to the Serengeti or the Dead Sea or Kilimanjaro or the mouth of the Amazon River, but thanks to teachers like you and the internet, I know about them and what they look like and I can picture them and even see videos on YouTube now (BBC Planet Earth and Life were amazing for that).
BubblyBarbara · 22/11/2020 22:28

It’s not all memorisation. There’s a lot you can figure out especially on shows like university challenge. For example by knowing about etymology and what various prefixes and suffixes mean and how they influence words in our language

showmethegin · 22/11/2020 22:52

@jambeforeclottedcream

Anyone else watching this show on itv right now about Who Wants to be a Millionaire???
Yes it was brilliant. And a perfect example of how having a good grasp of general knowledge is a strange thing; I knew that the answer was pigeon as soon as it came up but have absolutely no idea how I knew it (and haven't got a question for that amount before!) I read a lot, but generally am interested in lots of different things. I was definitely the irritating child that wanted to know "why?" all the time and I'm like that as an adult.

Intelligence is such a broad thing though but I definitely think being interested in things builds it.

I don't by any stretch think I'm a bloody genius but I have good general knowledge. My DP is amazing at more technical stuff I couldn't get my head round and my dad is amazing at stuff like Latin and maths because he went to grammar school back into the day and retains information well.

showmethegin · 22/11/2020 22:53

I've also been learning greek for a while which definitely helps in quizzing because of the sheer amount of stuff that comes from the language and you can make an educated guess

babybythesea · 22/11/2020 23:12

Thank you, RightYesButNo.
What you need is the mindset that says ‘I don’t know that, I’ll look it up’ and that can be modelled for children. School should definitely aim to develop it, not stamp it out!
I think it’s that which leads to, maybe not intelligence, but an ability to put together apparently different pieces of knowledge to answer questions. Because one outcome of being curious and looking things up is a broad range of knowledge, even if you haven’t been somewhere yourself, or seen something yourself.

I think of it in terms of having ‘hooks’ to hang your knowledge on. A random fact which is not connected with anything else you know, is likely to be forgotten. But if you have watched a TV documentary and something is mentioned, a country, or an animal, or a custom, or whatever it is, and then it comes up again in something you read, you kind of already have the ‘hook’ to put your new fact on to. As you read, or listen, or watch stuff, you get more hooks, retain more information because it makes sense, and you can start to join them up.

There will always be things you don’t know. If a Pointless question came up on chart music in the last five years I’d be hopeless. But if a question was asked about music in the fifties or sixties or seventies, I would hope to be able to make a sensible stab at a decent answer, knowing that Frank Sinatra would be a daft answer for the nineties, and Gary Barlow a stupid reply to one about hits in the fifties! Being good at quizzes doesn’t mean knowing every fact, but knowing enough to have a go with a reasonable best guess. And you do that by looking things up you don’t know!

PolkadotGiraffe · 23/11/2020 00:01

And yes totally agree with the PPs who have pointed out that there is a very string correlation between memory and intelligence, just as there is between creativity and intelligence. Both need external stimuli to result in knowledge/ new connections between ideas/ art, but the innate capacity must be present for that process to happen when exposed to the environments that facilitate it (and create the desire to interact with the environment on that level and absorb knowledge and ideas).

PolkadotGiraffe · 23/11/2020 00:02

*strong. Not string! It's late... Grin

PolkadotGiraffe · 23/11/2020 00:13

@PolkadotGiraffe

Knowledge and intelligence are of course separate characteristics. Intelligence is a prerequisite for acquiring any depth of meaningful knowledge on a subject of interest, but a lack of knowledge in certain subjects doesn't indicate a lack of intelligence. An absence of any desire to acquire knowledge, however, would usually indicate the absence of an intelligent mind.
I suppose a point following from this is that where gaps in knowledge lie can tell you something about someone's intelligence and personality and also background. If they have grown up in a developed country and had the opportunity for free education and free access to books through public libraries, a lack of knowledge on basic subjects would at least superficially indicate a lack of an enquiring mind. Whereas there have been geniuses with no opportunity for such experiences, clearly very intelligent yet never had an opportunity for formal education, but who nonetheless have managed to discover for themselves (for example, Srinivasa Ramanujan): knowledge that others with vastly greater opportunities and easy access to cultural stores of knowledge showed no interest in learning.

In the end this is the ancient nature/ nurture and environment question, and as always the answer is that the end result (the person) is a combination of both. There is strong evidence that innate intelligence is highly hereditary. How that develops depends much on the environment, temperament and experiences of the person.

I am baffled though, that the OP has not heard of Seville oranges, which are ubiquitous.

RaspberryCoulis · 23/11/2020 08:24

There’s an almost equally silly one about Mary Queen of Scots or similar.

That's an often repeated one in Scotland. Marie est malade - Mary is sick - sounds a bit like marmalade. So someone comes up with a daft story about a sick Queen and a French lady-in-waiting making marmalade to cure her.

CitizenClem · 23/11/2020 08:38

Agree with others that say that in general, YABU.

Being good at quizzes isn't an infallible test of intelligence, especially as some quizzes are very dependent on social context (I'm quite good at pub quizzes in the UK, but I once went to one in the US, and I was terrible because I didn't know anything about US Sport or TV).

On the other hand, it does an indicate an interest in the world around you which is, in my opinion, linked to a certain kind of intelligence.

MLMbotsgoaway · 23/11/2020 08:42

While you’ve mentioned memory issues (rather late in the thread) I think some of your other posts are quite telling as to why you don’t get quick questions to be honest.

MaskingForIt · 23/11/2020 08:55

@pennypinchh

I googled it and Seville came up - how the hell am I supposed to know that? I've never even been to Spain so how could that be a measure of my intelligence?
For that question, you don’t need to know the answer, you just need to know the name of a a Spanish city beginning with S. You don’t have to have been to Spain to know that. You might have heard of The Barber Of Seville, you might have seen Seville oranges in the supermarket, you might have seen Seville on the departures board at the airport, you might have looked at a map sometime...

There are all sorts of ways of acquiring knowledge if you have your eyes open and are reasonably “worldly” or cultured.

Having a degree isn’t really a measure of intelligence - it just shows an ability to focus on one thing, and the money to be there.

YABU for thinking your degree makes you intelligent.

CherryValanc · 23/11/2020 08:57

@JamieLeeCurtains

Does anyone remember the Pointless contestant who, upon being asked 'Name a country that ends in a double consonant ...' said 'Paris'?

And the look on her teammates face.

I know this was way back, but as I couldn't think of a country that ends in a double constant, I looked it up.

While it seems a Google as also couldn't come up with one either as it gave me counties ending in two constants.

Is there one with double!!?

(Other than Paris 😁)

Limer · 23/11/2020 09:01

I first learned about Seville oranges and marmalade as a result of reading a Paddington Bear book as a child - Paddington mishears "Seville oranges" as "several oranges".

I use "before my time" and "after my time" as excuses when I can't answer the questions on Popmaster. I was born in 1965, so for me, before 1975 = before my time, and after 1985 = after my time.

chomalungma · 23/11/2020 09:02

Iceland
Finland

Nevergoingbackthere · 23/11/2020 09:03

I have two degrees in a STEM subject. Am incredibly good at recognising patterns and problem solving. General knowledge however? Slides straight back out of my brain. My memory is absolutely shocking. I am bad at quizzes but having a bad memory does not mean I am not intelligent.

chomalungma · 23/11/2020 09:04

I might have jumped in there. I would suspect the question was 2 consonants.

IsThisNameTaken · 23/11/2020 09:05

*I know this was way back, but as I couldn't think of a country that ends in a double constant, I looked it up.

While it seems a Google as also couldn't come up with one either as it gave me counties ending in two constants.

Is there one with double!!?*

Germany?

LubaLuca · 23/11/2020 09:05

My husband is very quiz clever. He has a huge capacity for trivia, plays in the best league team, hosts quizzes, watches most TV quiz shows etc.

He's intelligent in practical terms too, but nothing like a genius. Obviously he has a fully functioning brain that allows him to do a job that involves a lot of thinking and problem solving, but he's unlikely to change the world.

Nevergoingbackthere · 23/11/2020 09:08

Oh and I did the Mensa test way back to give me confidence before commencing my studies. Scored very highly and was invited to join. Didn't as considered it a waste of money but it did help with my fear of failure. Maybe a whole other discussion about high IQ being an adequate measure of intelligence but I just like to think there are different types of intelligence.

BadLad · 23/11/2020 09:08

@chomalungma

Iceland Finland
Those end in two consonants. I think CherryValanc means the question is very difficult if you interpret "ending in a double consonant" as "ending in the same consonant twice". If Millwall were a country, it would qualify.
BadLad · 23/11/2020 09:09

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