To think Rebekah Vardy has no chance?

[StillCoughingandLaughing]

Her case hinges on claiming someone has somehow hacked her account; be that someone she employs or someone who has somehow done it at random. Colleen Rooney very, very deliberately (and now infamously) stated ‘It’s... Rebekah Vardy’s account’.

She’s suing for libel, yet she hasn’t been personally accused. That wording was not an accident. Surely unless she can somehow prove that the fake stories were not accessed via her account, she has no case?

Actually we are discussing libel law, but that is obviously far below you grin Byee!

Yes, you have had the irony bypass. No need to demonstrate proof. 🤷🏻‍♀️

How likely is it that someone else regularly used Vardy's account? Given the presumably reasonable assumption that it was Vardy herself? I honestly don't know. I certainly can't see how Vardy can get out of this one, but courts and out of court settlements are funny things. I am curious to see how it pans out.

But if Vardy was to argue that it’s not that likely that someone else could access her account - and therefore Rooney was implying it was her to blame - surely that would invalidate her previous claims that it could have been someone working for her?

Isn't this all about their personal Instagram accounts? Why would others be accessing those? Public ones I can understand but surely the point of a personal one is that it is personal.

@HotSince63

Images of CR's Instagram Stories were published here ... this is way after it all came out though.

Looks like those were the screenshots Rooney took and have been released by her legal team? I mean if pictures from the fake stories that were available only on Instagram to Vardy's account appeared in the press, that might strengthen the case that it had to be Vardy doing it, because it couldn't be just that she told others; whoever used the account passed on the images.

Shes doing that thing that caught out two faced bitchy friends do when you're a teenager. They think if they massively over react and create a bit of a shit storm people will think 'well if she feels that strongly, she cant have done it'.

Maybe......

CR could have told people she was doing a sting. But only her mum, sister, niece and personal trainer - so it doesn't count!

PrincessNutNut yes these are CR's screenshots, you can tell they are hers because in the bottom left corner you can see how many people/who has viewed the story - and you can clearly see that it was only 1 person (RV).

CR has repeatedly said she told no-one about the sting, not even her close circle, as for a while she suspected everyone. She set up this sting and got RV by a process of elimination.

I am not a lover or follower of wags. However I really do want Colleen to win as I found Rebecca Vardy trying to gain sympathy after by using her pregnancy, utterly vulgar. I also do believe it was her.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

How likely is it that someone else regularly used Vardy's account? Given the presumably reasonable assumption that it was Vardy herself? I honestly don't know. I certainly can't see how Vardy can get out of this one, but courts and out of court settlements are funny things. I am curious to see how it pans out.

But if Vardy was to argue that it’s not that likely that someone else could access her account - and therefore Rooney was implying it was her to blame - surely that would invalidate her previous claims that it could have been someone working for her?

I don't see why Vardy would argue that. It's literally the opposite to what she's claiming, which is that someone else used the account. Or is she now claiming that she was the one using the account, but she didn't leak the stories to the press? Just innocently mentioned them in passing to someone else who must have contacted the paper? I'm sure she was claiming she was hacked when this first came out.

Isn't this all about their personal Instagram accounts? Why would others be accessing those? Public ones I can understand but surely the point of a personal one is that it is personal.

I think a lot of it is going to hinge on that.

An out of court settlement will probably cost less, all told, but presumably it would involve Rooney accepting publicly that Vardy didn't personally do it and paying her compensation. Would probably come to less than if she was found in court to have libelled her, but this case does look pretty straightforward. And yet, you just can't tell...

Lawyers, is it true that if Rooney makes an out of court offer to Vardy, Vardy refuses and it goes to court, and Rooney loses but the compensation she is ordered is less than or equal to the amount she offered out of court...that Vardy, despite winning the case, would be liable for all costs? Which could well come to more than the compensation? Is that correct?

I think a lot of it is going to hinge on that

I think it will hinge on proving who vardy told didn’t tell anyone else and they themselves didn’t sell it . The media involved will know though who it was , so wonder how much a judge can force them to testify and say who it was.

The media involved will know though who it was , so wonder how much a judge can force them to testify and say who it was

I didn't think about that! Is that likely to happen?

Part of CR's issue is that RV did tell others who leaked the story to the press with RV's express permission.

The fake stories placed on CR's Instagram were only seen by 2 people, her and whoever was using RV's account.

CR says that "The Claimant sometimes provided this directly, sometimes anonymously (under the pseudonym, 'the Secret Wag', a regular gossip column in The Sun for which she was the source, despite her denying this) and sometimes through third parties who were acting as approved or condoned by her."

Why wouldn't wags tell friends what they'd read on a personal account. Celebrities don't get friends to sign a confidentiality clause, do they? Staff, yes. But you know a so-called friend ( as I say, really your rival for publicity and endorsements, and wife of your partner's rival for an England call-up) a so-called mate is going to tell the odd bit of goss to one of their family members. All human beings gossip. I understand that CR's family members would be expected to be sworn to confidentiality. But acquaintances, no.
Only a tip-off from the press could make CR certain that it was a real-life wag, not a another member of a friend's circle who had told someone who told someone else who sold the stories.

Why do people not like Rebecca Vardy?

I don't know anything about her although I was a bit when she was like " I can't believe you've done this Colleen I am heavily pregnant you know"

@HotSince63

Images of CR's Instagram Stories were published here ... this is way after it all came out though.

That last story tags someone else in on it...

@unmarkedbythat

The media involved will know though who it was , so wonder how much a judge can force them to testify and say who it was

I didn't think about that! Is that likely to happen?

I think a court can force it if in the interests of justice or national security. In practice journalists protect their sources so the media may bring their own lawyers in to prevent it, because it may put others off leaking stories..

I don’t know if the sun would be that bothered though about it that they’d Chuck money at it to prevent it. But a court could certainly try to force it if they couldn’t find out another way.

Only a tip-off from the press could make CR certain that it was a real-life wag, not a another member of a friend's circle who had told someone who told someone else who sold the stories

That’s what I’m thinking, that Colleen already knew it was vardy before she even did the sting to prove it. Someone from the press had told her

I always thought RV was ok, and then I saw her on I'm a Celebrity, and her treatment of the dj on there was absolutely vile.

The fact that she did that while supposedly a mental health ambassador for a youth charity was disgusting. She accused him of using depression as "playing the sympathy card" I think the charity dropped her like a steaming turd shortly after that, and rightly so.

@Janegrey333

Honestly, you don't take any of us down when you do this. We've already demonstrated we have an interest and don't mind people knowing. You just look a bit...daft.

Celebrity culture, aka common behaviour, is not my thing. I’m not sure anybody is trying to “ take you down”. Do you really need help in this respect...?

Not your thing And yet here you are.

I'm not post on Gardening threads to tell them how boring I find conversations about slugs or whatever else. I imagine they couldn't give a fuck what I think.

That last story tags someone else in on it...

Yes, you can do that and still block the tagged person from seeing the story.

That would have just made it look even more real to the one person (RV) viewing it not realising they are part of a sting.

*I don't post

@HotSince63

That last story tags someone else in on it...

Yes, you can do that and still block the tagged person from seeing the story.

That would have just made it look even more real to the one person (RV) viewing it not realising they are part of a sting.

Ah, I see! Thanks.

I seem to recall that CR got help/advice from someone to set up the sting.

Either way, the judge will tell us later if what she posted is libellous.

I think a court can force it if in the interests of justice or national security. In practice journalists protect their sources so the media may bring their own lawyers in to prevent it, because it may put others off leaking stories..

Protection of the free press seems hilarious when it is about protecting their source on a story about a WAG's basement flooding (but yes, I appreciate the need for it, just seems funny in the context of this case)

@StillCoughingandLaughing

Still struggling to discover what was inaccurate about @girasol's very useful and informative post

If you think it was so useful and informative, bully for you. You enjoy it. I didn’t think it was useful or informative.

Yes that has become clear Doesn't stop it being accurate