To think this meme is pretty unpleasant?

[heyfrog]

I have a "friend" on Facebook who as well as believing in all the other conspiracy theories also believes COVID is a mass plot to control us etc. (This isn't really around COVID hence not putting it on that board). She's uploaded the attached pic tonight which I think is pretty offensive - I appreciate other people have different views to me, but this seems to imply that because I'd wear a mask this is comparable to Nazi supporters. AIBU to think she's gone a bit far with this one?

She's sliding into a cult, whether you can get her to realise how awful this picture is will tell you how far down she is

Seeing as the Nazis wanted to rid society of its weakest members, and covid also targets the vulnerable, I would argue that the non mask wearers are closer to Nazis than people who are trying to do their best to keep themselves and others safe.

Very offensive, she shouldn't have posted it and neither should you.

Your friend is clearly extremely hard of thinking. Why not send her some of the many links to stories about people who 'didn't believe in Covid-19' but who subsequently got very ill and died from it?

I'm not sure I could be friends with someone who believes shit like that.

What response has she got?

What a stupid person she must be. Really offensive

Also pretty sure the Nazis would have been anti mask...

Applying semiotics, we see someone not engaging with the majority.Those who ,’read, ‘the image as a display of one person resign to engage with the majority. I find it offensive because the ‘accepted’ reading of this image has been subverted. The man is not performing the salute because he disagrees with the ideology.
If you choose not to wear a mask because you believe in conspiracy theories you are, for example, a twat.

Refusing

August Landmesser is thought to be the man in the picture. He was married to a Jewish woman and imprisoned in a concentration camp for refusing to leave her. She was eventually killed in the concentration camps, he was forcibly conscripted and died in action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Landmesser

I don't think he'd have had much sympathy for the idiots who didn't fancy wearing a face mask in a time of pandemic. So I'd add a hearty "fuck off" to whoever is using his image like this.

I assume its aimed at how scary it is that people have complied to new rules without question and allowed restrictions on their lives which is destroying the economy, peoples businesses, stopping life saving treatment in the name of covid. How people turn against neighbours etc. I dont think this is just about wearing masks.

What a fucking moron she is

@Sometimeswinning

I assume its aimed at how scary it is that people have complied to new rules without question and allowed restrictions on their lives which is destroying the economy, peoples businesses, stopping life saving treatment in the name of covid. How people turn against neighbours etc. I dont think this is just about wearing masks.

Assuming that you share the same limited capacity for analysis of the pandemic response as the original picture poster then yes, you could take that reading. It would make you a fucking moron, mind you.

This, posted by Rebecca Solnit from a doctor friend, exposes the absolute lie of 'if we didn't lock down and kept treating everything it would be better' for the fuckwittery it is.

I am so absolutely fucking done with 'we should try to understand other opinions' when they're the opinions of fuckwits who think their opinion is equivalent to an actual fact and cries 'closed minded' when presented with, say, science.

So. Fucking. Done.

how scary it is that people have complied to new rules without question

Eh? No they haven't! Every single covid rule has been debated, analysed and questioned exhaustively, not to mention flouted by many. For those that have complied with rules, it's generally because they can see the logic – for example the need to contain the numbers to allow health services to cope. Adhering to a rule like that doesn't mean you haven't questioned it, or can't see that it also has negative effects, or can't see that the government has handled things badly.

I didnt say I was a mask denier. I just saw more than the face value of the meme. What I actually said was I thought it went deeper than masks. Not really understanding where your anger came from.

Eh? No they haven't! Every single covid rule has been debated, analysed and questioned exhaustively
It really hasn't been.

@Sometimeswinning

I assume its aimed at how scary it is that people have complied to new rules without question and allowed restrictions on their lives which is destroying the economy, peoples businesses, stopping life saving treatment in the name of covid. How people turn against neighbours etc. I dont think this is just about wearing masks.

There isn't really much people can do otherwise though is there?

The pressure to conform, having the daily announcements about how many people have died, knowing how susceptible people are, the lack of a treatment, how easy it is to multiply.

It's powerful stuff - and people do want to act for the greater good.

Nazi ideology is very different.

I don't think the Nazis and anyone supporting them - even when they were under pressure to support them - were acting for the greater good of the world.

We also know what the Nazis did to people who failed to support them and to those who actively resisted.

If you watch the news, read the papers or go on MN or Twitter or any number of other online forums, there's no end of discussion, debate and questioning about which measures are most effective, which other countries we should be emulating, the damage to the economy, people not following the rules and the reasons why, etc etc.

Why are you saying it hasn't been questioned - what's your evidence for that?

I think the point is resisting the massive urge to conform. Being brave enough to say no to the crazy times we live in. Stopping freedom of expression like this is- well- sort of fascist no?

Why are you saying it hasn't been questioned - what's your evidence for that?
Because most of the public haven't asked questions that lead to the correct answers:
Bill Gates is behind covid
Bill Gates and his crew are trying to wipe out half the planet and make those left into slaves
Lizards are in charge
Covid is simultaneously a hoax and a deliberate planned disease to kill off people (these views must be asserted with total sincerity within hours of each other)
There is forced vaccination before a vaccine even existed
Any vaccine is going to microchip people

Duh! Everyone knows that if you don't get those answers then you're a sheeple.

Ah sorry @ShadyBansheeThing I thought you meant by the government.

@chomalungma I agree with everything you said. I didnt say the meme was good I was saying there was another meaning as was insinuated by a poster a couple of pages back. I do find it scary that people are encouraged to inform on neighbours and friends. Medical help has been withdrawn. Which is why I came to my interpretation.

@Guavaf1sh

I think the point is resisting the massive urge to conform. Being brave enough to say no to the crazy times we live in. Stopping freedom of expression like this is- well- sort of fascist no?

Hmm not sure I’d equate living in Nazi germany and resisting the oppression of a dictatorship hellbent on eradicating millions of lives with not wanting to wear a mask in Tesco, but I guess everyone has different markers.