to think the Queen should refuse this gift?

[WitchesSpelleas]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54915124

"A committee of MPs and peers has been set up to choose a gift "fit" for the Queen to mark the 70th anniversary of her accession, in 2022.
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said it would be a "token of our respect". For her Diamond Jubilee in 2012, the Queen had a stained-glass window created for her in Westminster Hall."

The Queen has everything she could possibly need, and the money to buy anything she could want.

This gift will be funded by donations from MPs - of course, it's up to them how they want to spend their money - but at a time when so many of her subjects are struggling financially due to the impact of Covid19, I think it would be appropriate for the Queen to ask the MPs to make a donation to a UK charity instead of spending the money on a Platinum Jubilee gift.

I'm not happy about money being spent on the Queen

But as has been pointed out to you many times, it's not your money - no, not even indirectly - so you don't get a say in how it's spent.

@IcedPurple

I'm not happy about money being spent on the Queen

But as has been pointed out to you many times, it's not your money - no, not even indirectly - so you don't get a say in how it's spent.

It's being done in parliamentary time, using parliamentary facilities, so I disagree with your comment.

What's 'parliamentary time'?

Well i am happy with my taxes being spend on it. Pm me your PayPal, I will send you your 3p so you can rest

@WitchesSpelleas

What? You really would tell people how to spend their own money?

In this case we are talking about elected representatives whose salaries are paid from the public purse, who are debating this gift as a committee in the house - 'in work time' if you like - so I'm perfectly entitled to have an opinion.

This isn't Boris having a few MP pals round to dinner and while passing the port saying 'How about we chip in for a gift for old Queenie?'. This is MPs setting up a committee to buy the gift officially.

WitchesSpelleas Yes you did......my point still stands. Do you really think that everyone who is paid from the public purse spends 100% of their time and effort on what you might believe is worthy?

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Well i am happy with my taxes being spend on it. Pm me your PayPal, I will send you your 3p so you can rest

🤣🤣

My point was that they are elected representatives, a public body.

Do you really think that everyone who is paid from the public purse spends 100% of their time and effort on what you might believe is worthy?

No, I'm under no illusions whatsoever that they do. Most publicly funded organisations seem to dictate that their employees waste hours on worthless bureaucracy, trendy but ill-thought-out training courses and similar nonsense - that's not the employees' fault, though.

Well i am happy with my taxes being spend on it. Pm me your PayPal, I will send you your 3p so you can rest

If the AIBU poll result is representative of the country at large, that's 33% of people who aren't happy, so I hope you can afford to reimburse everyone else - I think it'll work out to about £650,000 at 3p a throw.

😂 Only if you believe that mn is representative of actual population opinion. Which is equally dim as believing that it's not mp's job to mark such a big historical event.

I’ll round it up to 6p.

It is nearly Christmas after all

@SchrodingersImmigrant

😂 Only if you believe that mn is representative of actual population opinion. Which is equally dim as believing that it's not mp's job to mark such a big historical event.

My impression is that MN generally has a better opinion of the Queen than the country at large, but I've gone with the poll result so as not to render Vinyl totally bankrupt.

My impression is that MN generally has a better opinion of the Queen than the country at large, but I've gone with the poll result so as not to render Vinyl totally bankrupt.

According to YouGov, 55% of Brits feel the queen has done a 'very good job' with under 10% feeling she has done a poor job.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/has-the-queen-done-a-good-job-during-her-time-on-the-throne

[quote IcedPurple]My impression is that MN generally has a better opinion of the Queen than the country at large, but I've gone with the poll result so as not to render Vinyl totally bankrupt.

According to YouGov, 55% of Brits feel the queen has done a 'very good job' with under 10% feeling she has done a poor job.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/has-the-queen-done-a-good-job-during-her-time-on-the-throne[/quote]
That's not asking the same question, though. I wouldn't accuse the Queen of doing 'a poor job'. That doesn't mean I think the 'job' of Queen should exist or that the financial reward for the job is proportionate.

Well, upthread you did say she was doing a poor job.

But to save you from Googling, polls consistently show a clear majority favours retaining the monarchy too.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/02/18/8b405/1

[quote IcedPurple]Well, upthread you did say she was doing a poor job.

But to save you from Googling, polls consistently show a clear majority favours retaining the monarchy too.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/02/18/8b405/1[/quote]
62% in favour - slightly lower than MN which bears out what I said above.

And I won’t be going bankrupt because it wasn’t me who offered to pay your share for you.

@VinylDetective

And I won’t be going bankrupt because it wasn’t me who offered to pay your share for you.

Sorry, I confused your quote with the original.

62% in favour - slightly lower than MN which bears out what I said above

But with 3 options, incl a 'Don't know'. So only 22%. in favour or abolishing the monarchy.

I know you seem to enjoy coming up with an endless stream of bogus arguments, but the fact is that the monarchy enjoys broad popular support in Britain. Certainly doesn't mean you have to agree, but it is a fact.

62% in favour - slightly lower than MN which bears out what I said above

But with 3 options, incl a 'Don't know'. So only 22%. in favour or abolishing the monarchy

Yes, and 62% in favour of keeping it, which is what I just quoted. The 'don't knows' don't count either way.

@VinylDetective why is it so hard for you to just Google queen bailed out.. she's

Here is a link to one article
www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/queen-gets-government-bailout-after-value-of-crown-estate-slumps/24/09/

There are numerous papers who reported it, even made cnn!

And yes its flipping disgusting behaviour to bail her out because her profits are down. She isn't losing her roof over her head. Ordinary people have to sell their house, downsize or lose everything they worked for.

A stained glass window in London won't bring much joy to a family in Newcastle who are relying on food banks to survive.

So nothing good should ever be done anywhere because someone in Newcastle is hungry?

What a load of bollocks.

If MPs want to donate to the gift,
let them. I'm sure you're just really pissed off that you can't piss and moan about it being taxpayers money used to fund it.

[quote cyclingmad]@VinylDetective why is it so hard for you to just Google queen bailed out.. she's

Here is a link to one article
www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/queen-gets-government-bailout-after-value-of-crown-estate-slumps/24/09/

There are numerous papers who reported it, even made cnn!

And yes its flipping disgusting behaviour to bail her out because her profits are down. She isn't losing her roof over her head. Ordinary people have to sell their house, downsize or lose everything they worked for.[/quote]
Thanks for the link. If you assert something the onus is on you to provide the proof. You obviously missed this bit

The revenue from the Crown Estate helps pay for our vital public services – over the last 10 years it has returned a total of £2.8bn to the Exchequer

The Crown Estate isn’t the Queen, by the way.

@vinyldetective do you look st how ridiculous you sound...the burden of proof. This is a chat forum not some legal case.

Being a taxpayer itd be in your interest to go find out.

As it happens the Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign.

Just because her profits are down, she doesn't need bailing out. Oh woe betide she isn't making aa much as she did before. Its just profit!!! A bailout could only justified if the Crown Estate wasn't even breaking even and then guess what sell some property off. Its what her subjects have to do.

Unbelievable that she is getting away with it.

Do you think it'd be right for the goverment to bail me out because I'm not making enough profit on my investments?

You’re so busy insulting me with things I didn’t say you’ve still missed this bit:

The revenue from the Crown Estate helps pay for our vital public services – over the last 10 years it has returned a total of £2.8bn to the Exchequer

You might also want to educate yourself about the Crown Estate. It’s to what you think.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

Not what you think, even!