Child's class bubble close but should it have been?

[TellerTuesday4EVA]

This also happened to a friend with DC at a different school.

Message to parents last night, DD's class bubble will now be closed and children to isolate for 14 days as a child in the bubble has tested positive over the weekend.

Class group chat starts, one mum comes on & says it's X but we're ok. Then says X doesn't have any symptoms, was me on Friday afternoon and husband Saturday but we got her tested anyway and it's positive.

Now every single thing I have read says only to have a test if you develop symptoms. X would have to self isolate anyway due to the parents having positive tests but by getting her tested they now closed the bubble and all 30 kids are at home for 14 days. This what would happen if following the rules but then it shows the system if flawed as this child obviously did have it and was asymptotic.

So I don't know if I'm right to be annoyed by this or not. I'm certainly not looking forward to 2 weeks home schooling again.

If child x was asymptomatic then their case clearly isn't that bad. And yes they could of course pass it on to someone who got it badly, due to ore existing conditions, but surely that risk is low, because those people are largely choosing to 'shield', so the chances of passing it on are slim. And if everyone who gets covid is asymptomatic, then at least they aren't unwell!

What absolute rubbish! Only 'extremely vulnerable people' are being told to shield. People who are merely 'clinically vulnerable' (like me) are carrying in regardless, yet getting covid would still be more serious for me.

@TellerTuesday4EVA what your story is showing is the importance of mass testing, incl when people are not symptomatic.

People like the dd who have no symptoms will still transmit the virus and here it goes round again.
If we could have ALL people with the virus, symptomatic or not, self isolating, it would be much easier to contain this virus.

@Daisymaze We only think it was the right thing to do because the child tested positive. If they had been negative...then what? Take another test up in a few days time...a few days after that. Should the whole bubble now be tested? Taking up another say 29 tests, just in case?

We don't have regular testing, any one of the children could be asymptomatic at any time.

They lied to get that test. Someone else, desperate to get back to work didn't get it. The guidance is there for a reason.

Exactly Bookworm65. And what about the extremely clinically vulnerable who happen to have children in school? Shielding is not a viable option for everyone.

It’s why our test and trace system is flawed. We know loads of people are asymptotic. We’re currently fighting the flames but it won’t put the fire inside the building out. They’re seem to be getting somewhere at least with these city ‘moonshot’ tests.

@Simplyunacceptable

Your child has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive

Where does the OP say they were in close contact?

And asymptomatic spread has clearly been accepted as fact by most of mumsnet given the responses but I can't work out on what basis.

They were obviously prompted to get a test for some reason, probably just didn’t want to give medical history over a school group chat!

I honestly can’t understand why you are annoyed about this at all! Thank goodness their parents had them tested!

Would have rather they didn’t and the bubble didn’t close so potential other asymptotic children could pass it around to their families?

This is bonkers. For whatever reason, a positive case has been identified. I don’t understand how that can possibly be a bad thing. Hopefully it will stop it spreading all over the school and the whole building having to shut. At some point a child would have had symptoms and the bubbles would have closed. This just means it has happened sooner.

Asymptomatic!

My DC tested positive a month ago. Myself and DH desperately wanted to get tested as we had chest pains and breathlessness.
We were told no. You do not have any of the 3 symptoms, you cannot get a test. Stay at home for 14 days. So we don’t know if we had it.
My other DC stayed at home with us but their bubble stayed open.
None of us could get a test without symptoms.

So unless the guidance has changed within the past 2 weeks the parent either lied to get their DC tested or they had one of the 3 symptoms.

@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit, I’ve accepted the fact asymptomatic transmission exist as a fact becuase that’s what science says.... What other basis do you think it’s based on?

If the parents had symptoms though surely the child should have been off isolating from the day of onset of their parents symptoms and therefore not have had contact with the other kids in the 48hours prior to the positive results! I think this is why you are angry, because the child was still sent into school when they knowingly had symptoms themselves? I’d be a bit annoyed with that. Our school sent out letters because they have had parents doing this and reiterating that if parents (or siblings) have symptoms then the child should be at home isolating whilst they await results not coming into school in the meantime! Its right they are all off in the circumstances but get that its really frustrating.

Oh Gawd, it's too early for this.
I'm so confused lol
Girl in class tested positive
You're in a huff because seeing as she didn't have any symptoms she shouldn't have had a test?
She'd have still been positive if she hadn't had one regardless of showing symptoms, which could have then passed onto someone else who would be really ill from it.
YABU
You are so far past the line the line is a dot to you lol

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Simplyunacceptable

Your child has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive

Where does the OP say they were in close contact?[/quote]
She says in the OP a child in her child's school bubble.
Seeing as child has positive case, that's a close contact.

If child x was asymptomatic then their case clearly isn't that bad. And yes they could of course pass it on to someone who got it badly, due to ore existing conditions, but surely that risk is low, because those people are largely choosing to 'shield', so the chances of passing it on are slim. And if everyone who gets covid is asymptomatic, then at least they aren't unwell!

But what if they go home and pass it on to their parents, who then pass it on when they go out shopping? What if they have a parent or sibling who is particularly vulnerable?

[quote Meuniere]@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit, I’ve accepted the fact asymptomatic transmission exist as a fact becuase that’s what science says.... What other basis do you think it’s based on?[/quote]
Please can you tell me where I can find this info? I have tried Google obviously and the BMJ website. There doesn't seem to be much / any research or info on asymptomatic spread.

I wonder if it's getting confused with pre symptomatic spread.

My granddaughter's school sent home a child on 19th October because they had turned up to school with symptoms. They ordered an online test which they had the positive result from on the Friday. This was when the bubble closed. All 30 children in that class were exposed to that virus on the 19th. Granddaughter in that class (A) has not shown symptoms. Neither has any other child. Neither has any other parent. All that bubble return to school today after the bubble was closed for 14 days on the 23rd. If they were exposed to the virus on the 19th surely they would've had symptoms after 3-5 days? Is that right?

How is it possible that no other child or parent had no symptoms?

Please explain.

@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit Aside from it being stated by the scientists...
At work we do weekly testing, we’ve just had 11 people test positive, 6 of those have absolutely no symptoms so I can assure you that its possible to be asymptomatic.

How is it possible that no other child or parent had no symptoms?

Something like 80% of people can be asymptotic depending on exactly where you get your figures from.

I’m surprised you haven’t heard of this, it has been widely reported in the mainstream news.

We had a similar case in our school. In this case the dad was sent home from work because a colleague had tested positive.

The family did exactly the opposite to advice which is dad self isolates, others carry on as normal. They decided to all self isolate so child x is pulled out of school. Dad goes down with symptoms four days later. Again they go against the grain and have everyone tested. Mum has it as does child x. Because they've been off for four days plus the weekend no-one in their bubble has to self isolate (according to PHE). Neither mum nor child x is showing a temperature (mum's feeling off colour but that's it). Child x is feeling fine, slightly tired.

The problem is that kids are asymptomatic. I think there's a lot more coronavirus in schools than we're led to believe and I do think it's a major source of spread in the community. If child X had carried on then they could have passed it to child Y and Z who could have taken it to their nan or younger siblings. Maybe the new 'Liverpool' tests will allow families in a similar position to do a quick test more regularly to ensure they stay home as soon as they're positive, not just when they're showing symptoms.

@Quaagars

Oh Gawd, it's too early for this. I'm so confused lol Girl in class tested positive You're in a huff because seeing as she didn't have any symptoms she shouldn't have had a test? She'd have still been positive if she hadn't had one regardless of showing symptoms, which could have then passed onto someone else who would be really ill from it. YABU You are so far past the line the line is a dot to you lol

What makes you so solute someone “would” be really ill from it.

If the kid hadn’t been tested no one would ever know. There is no way on earth other kids in the class haven’t had it before this kid was tested and no one (as far as OP has said) has been really ill as a resul.

The test and trace system has it's problems, but YABU to complain that a bubble has been sent home after a child tested positive.

You seriously want them all in because they might have already been exposed? Keep them all in school maximising the chance that more children contract it, possibly asymptomatically, and then take it home to their families? All because you don't want a bubble closed.

OP how old are the children involved?

So little evidence in how younger pre school and primary school children may or may not spread it. My DS 5 yrs tested positive. We had PHE on phone asking to come and swab the whole class and school surfaces for research. Could do it as we’d been quarantining as DH got it first.