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Should I have helped. Or ignored?

66 replies

Chairlove · 07/11/2020 18:56

Split up from my ex months ago. Suspicious he was getting close to a female friend, but ultimately we were not good as a couple. Friends yes. We stay in contact - just how we you doing and a quick coffee every so often.

He has his own business, something he created and is very proud off. I did help him set up and helped him work our margins etc do he can work out a profit. It’s my back ground - but left him to run it himself as it was his. Only helped when asked. He is not good with money, but spread sheets and a plan, he managed.

It seems his new girlfriend is unemployed, in debt and he is paying her to help him. However she is making out they are partners and wasting his money on stupid business ideas, taken over tye accounts. He has a saviour complex, so not surprised. He contacted me to say he is losing money, business has remained stable. Why?

It seems she is taking half the earnings, bought more expensive equipment to put in her house to make more things. His orders haven’t increased much, so no need. She has also taken over his promotions and doing stupid give free give aways all the time of their expensive products.

He is now upset as she promised business would increase. It hasn’t. None of his friends shared the promotions to help him. Really as people are fed up of him and think his new girl is using him. He has stopped seeing people.

So do I tell him the truth or not? She went mad he asked for my advice, as despite my background I know nothing. I can see him going finically bust if he carries on listening to her. I care as a friend and don’t want to see his hard work disappear. But it’s not my place to say his girlfriend is ruining his business.

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EisQuiaPiusEs · 07/11/2020 19:50

@timetest

I’d tell him the truth then steer clear.
This. If he has brought it up, and you are now friendly, then it's what any ok friend would do. But beyond that... it really is not your problem.
picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2020 19:50

Don't give opinions or advice. Do factual statements.
You have given away £x which has generated y in profit.
You have spent x on equipment, and not generated any increase in output.

Don't blame her, just analyse the numbers.

BuntysTwinkle · 07/11/2020 19:55

I think you're on a hiding to nothing. If it's you vs his girlfriend he'll side with her. Why take on the unpaid work of auditing his business when he won't listen if it's not what he wants to hear?

KarmaNoMore · 07/11/2020 19:55

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BuntysTwinkle · 07/11/2020 19:55

Wait, I just wanted to add one thing - poor bloke, my arse!

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frumpety · 07/11/2020 19:58

The problem is she is taking these risks without any of the responsibility or need to worry about the outcome, isn't she ?

I think you need to be brutally honest with your friend. You might lose him as a friend but your conscience will be clear.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 07/11/2020 20:01

You need to pretend you don't know the background - act a bit daft. So 'I see you bought this piece of equipment, which cost you £££ ' as opposed to 'why the fuck did you let your girlfriend waste £££ on a machine.'

But I'd tell him once, then I wouldn't tell him again. Not your problem, is it?

Sadhoot · 07/11/2020 20:05

He does not seem very open to feedback, so I would not get involved.

Out of interest, was the friend he was getting too close to the now girlfriend?

Italiangreyhound · 07/11/2020 20:10

Tell him the truth. Please.

mummmy2017 · 07/11/2020 20:12

Write him out a list of questions.
Has your income and increased or decreased?
Have you increased spending of machinery?
Do clients owe more than last year.
What are the company other out goings?

marveloustimeruiningeverything · 07/11/2020 20:13

Send him a link to this thread.

Namechangedforthisoct2 · 07/11/2020 20:13

If you wanted to help surely the most basic spread sheet with a graph showing income versus outgoing in past 12 months would show this and wouldn’t take long to do?
It’s then up to him to investigate why his outgoing has increased so much.
He’s obviously not a numbers person, therefore a visual comparison might just help show him.

Mintychoc1 · 07/11/2020 20:15

I’d tell him the truth , what have you got to lose?

WoooImAGhost · 07/11/2020 20:21

He is now upset as she promised business would increase. It hasn’t.

He already knows what the problem is. He just doesn't want to do the dirty work himself. He wants you to say it for him.

It's not a business issue, it's a relationship issue, I'd stay well out of it.

Newfornow · 07/11/2020 20:24

Point out the facts . Let him join the dots.
I would help him because I am decent, you don’t say he was a arsehole.
And to give him the chance to put the brakes on.
Since you helped him set up. He is correctly assuming you know what you’re talking about.

Newfornow · 07/11/2020 20:26

I think he knows what the problem is and wants you to confirm his feelings.

Regularsizedrudy · 07/11/2020 20:29

Is he paying you for this help? I could not be arsed. Not my problem.

Ideasplease322 · 07/11/2020 20:29

Do you have children with this man, will his recklessness impact on their financial security?

I still say be honest, but sounds like he is being an idiot.

Mustbe3ormorecharacters · 07/11/2020 20:32

I would tell him the truth before attempting to help with the books, that would depend on his reaction to the truth.

NOTANUM · 07/11/2020 20:32

Show him an Excel chart of revenue versus outgoings over time. It should be easy to see the problem!
After that, there is little you can do..

HTH1 · 07/11/2020 20:41

I would literally just say it sounds like the business keeps increasing its expenses but he should think about whether the extra equipment bought is generating enough revenue to be worth the cost. Then step away...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/11/2020 20:50

Tried to say you have higher outgoings, but he disagreed and said it will get better as they have a plan. He wants me to look over the books. I will have to be brutal

Yes, I think you probably will; his friends have withdrawn support and he's not listening to you either, so I'm not sure I'd bother now - and taking on the books would be sheer insanity

Unless you need him to be earning well for maintenance purposes, and you've not said anything to indicate that ...?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 07/11/2020 20:52

How much are you charging him? If no fee has been offered, walk away and leave him to it, you already know he's not going to listen.

I'd probably send him a final email saying "call me if you genuinely want help and are prepared to make changes - right now you're in complete denial and I cant work with that."

sausagepastapot · 07/11/2020 20:59

Yeah I can't really see why you're even involved. Confused

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