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To ask what is going on and whether it could work ?

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lisalisa · 03/11/2020 23:06

To ask you what is going on and whether this can work ?
Please be gentle . I’m posting here for traffic but I’m very confused and fragile . I’ve been divorced 3 years after a 27 year marriage . During most of those years there was no physical relationship and I threw myself into looking after my kids ( mainly teens but also a 10 ye old ) after the divorce and was not looking for a man .
Then I met someone online and from the very beginning we hit it off and seemed compatible in all respects . He lives on the other side of the world and timings are hard and I’m quite exhausted from hours on the phone at odd times during the day and night .
We can talk about anything .
He intends to sell his business and was in the middle of doing so when we met . Has been divorced 3 times .
For various reasons I know his grown up kids who live here vaguely. His plan befire he met me was to come to the UK to retire ( I’m 55 and he’s 65) so timing is perfect ( Corina has thrown a bit of a spanner in the works as he wanted to come before end 2020 but who knows if he’ll make it here then now .
He talks of marrying me . Born of us do . It’s that strong yet we’ve known each other only 4 weeks .
My problem is thst this has turned very sexual and I find myself doing and saying things I would never in a million years have done 4 weeks ago . It is getting more and more intense by phone and going further and further .
Because I’ve been out of the dating scene for decades I don’t know if this is normal or if he may be using me from miles away for gratification. In the beginning we talked about other things too but he was always flirting and quite openly would admit he’s flirting but now we talk about almost nothing but this intense physical desire for each other .
It can’t honestly be love after 4 weeks so is this just lust ? Has anyone had relationships that went this way and worked or should I reconcile myself to the fact that he may never get here or have any real intention to marry me but is letting it go further and further as it’s too exciting . Already I can see he’s not a bad man and not misleading me purposely but he does get over e excited and say things he doesn’t then do or carry out .
He also constantly talks about his long marriage and fact that ex hated sex and that’s why he’s a bit over the top with me to try to reassure himself that this time it’ll be normal . He does constantly talk negative about his dx but usually in the area of sex .
I’m just confused as this man literally has hypnotic power over me - I lose myself in our conversations until my head swims and I don’t want to fall further in love with him if this is all a farce .
He sends me flowers and links to love songs and professes undying love but I’m so confused

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SilverRoe · 04/11/2020 00:03

God OP. Look, hours on the phone, doing things you wouldn’t normally do and being tired etc are all perfect conditions to get emotional control over someone. You describing it as feeling hypnotised is not at all wide of the mark. It’s very easy under those circumstances to condition someone into behaving totally out of character - which you are.

Even if he doesn’t have nefarious intentions this is a deeply unhealthy interaction after only one month. One month. To feel you can’t take some time to assess this and get some space after such a short period of time shows something is badly wrong.

This cannot work. At all.

And what is he doing it for? For exciting phone sex. For power over someone. For the rush. Because it gets him off. I bet a lot of what you’re doing sexually is degrading isn’t it?

If this man was a good man he’d take the time to go slow, get to know YOU, not what he can get you to do sexually.

You need to take some time away from him to let the mist clear further.

FingersCrossedForAllOfUs · 04/11/2020 00:08

[quote lisalisa]@FingersCrossedForAllOfUs thNk you . When spelt out like that I can see it looks very off . But what is he hoping to gain ? Phone sex ? Proper phone sex ? Real sex when he comes to the UK? What do these things actually mean - that he’s very critical of his ex wife re sec particularly? Is he trying to soften me up ? I’m not usually clueless and have a very intellectual exacting career but really need help analysing this to see what he could be doing it for and what are the dangers before potentially throwing it away[/quote]
What is he hoping to gain? Sex is likely part of it, attention, adoration from a woman, so many reasons. But even worse he could be trying to extort money from you.

Being critical of his ex - This is a bad sign, he hardly knows you yet he is telling you all about his sex life with his ex. Ask yourself what his ex might say about him, he could be a sex pest, into ‘weird’ stuff or even worse an abuser.

I think he is trying to soften you up. As others have said it is very easy to lie and pretend from a distance that he is wealthy and successful.
Also ask yourself why have 3 marriages failed?

You are an intelligent and capable woman please don’t get taken in by this man. You are vulnerable after a long marriage and divorce. Why not step back from him, concentrate on yourself and your family and friendships?

Pinkyxx · 04/11/2020 00:09

All these things are huge red flags and known precursors of domestics abuse & violence. Please disengage and educate yourself on abusive relationships - you may not realise this but you’re describing the text book start to one....

Whatever you do don’t share intimate picture or videos, give him money or make any commitment.

You yourself admit your behaviour is uncharacteristic. Take heed of this, something is telling you this isn’t right - listen to your gut!

Enough4me · 04/11/2020 00:13

You feel hypnotised because he's manipulating you. You are questioning his love for you because you know it is a lie.

Love is the other person finding out about you, not them getting in your head. It's the real and normal chat about your day and how you feel more than phone sex. If he loves you so much he wouldn't mention his ex as he would focus on you.

Who you are and how you feel are irrelevant to him, but you are pleasing him and complying and so he will be gushingly appreciative of how only you really understand him.

ShellsAndSunrises · 04/11/2020 00:19

“Sensitive” sounds like a warning.

Everyone always thinks they are the exception. You’re not going to be. His behaviour is red flag central. Don’t waste time trying to work out why. You can’t fix him. Just move on, and make sure there’s no way that he can wheedle his way back in, he’s already managing to massively manipulate you.

CandyLeBonBon · 04/11/2020 00:20

'He's very sensitive'

Yes. Hell reel you in and then turn on you over every slightest thing and you'll be on eggshells.

That's my interpretation of her words.

He's already pushing you further than you're comfortable. You are literally putty right now.

Please stop it. The guy is bad news.

lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:22

I’ve already shared photos with him and videos . I feel such a fool .
It’s not about money . I know people who know him and he is wealthy .
But I am being love bombed . I have just read all about it on the internet never having heard of it before .
It still isn’t crystal clear why though although I think it’s phone sex then real sex he’s afterand he’s softening me up for thst . The first time we went too far for my comfort levels last night I woke up at 5am this morning really distraught . He was awake because god him it was mid afternoon . He took full responsibility and said it was too much and he was sorry and he’s make sure it didn’t happen again but during the day talk has already strayed into that area again .
I can tell one thing from my fogged brain . He doesn’t seem that interested in me per se . If I’m unwell , what I’m doing at wrk etc . When I tell him aspects of my life he either doesn’t respond or just tells me how gorgeous I am etc and I think he may have just missed what I said in amongst all the voice notes .

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MuthaFunka61 · 04/11/2020 00:22

He's telling you about his ex and their failure of a sex life to incite sexual competitiveness in you in the hope that you will drop all boundaries and limits.

Whether it's true about his ex or not is irrelevant, it's all a game to him.

Enough4me · 04/11/2020 00:26

OP manipulative people like to 'win' often through passive aggression (always the misunderstood victim).

Have you heard of the grey rock technique in becoming unresponsive and moving away quietly?

MuthaFunka61 · 04/11/2020 00:27

Cross Post @lisalisa.

Just block now. You don't need to explain anything,you've given enough.

I'm glad you're seeing through his game now

SpongeWorthy · 04/11/2020 00:31

How / why have you spoken to an ex of his?! That sounds worrying not reassuring as I assume he put you in touch or have you enough info for you to get in touch with her...

SpongeWorthy · 04/11/2020 00:32

He doesn’t seem that interested in me per se . If I’m unwell , what I’m doing at wrk etc . When I tell him aspects of my life he either doesn’t respond or just tells me how gorgeous I am

You asked if it's love or lust - surely you can see this isn't love?!

He's effectively treating you as wank fodder by engaging with you positively only about sex and your looks.

MLMbotsgoaway · 04/11/2020 00:35

Please don’t sit and worry about the why - tbis will lead to you overanalysing to try and think of a “good” reason.

There isn’t one. Decent people don’t behave like this. People looking for a real relationship don’t act like this.

lyralalala · 04/11/2020 00:36

Whatever you do while you work out what you want to do please, please, please make sure you do not include your face in any photos or videos you send this man.

Pushing your sexual boundaries, on the phone or in person, is not good. You told him how distraught you were and he still started going down that road again already.

This man has no respect for your boundaries. A friend of mine shared some photos and videos with a man she met online dating. The videos ended up on Porn Hub and it took her months to get them removed because other people who'd saved them kept re-posting them.

Protect yourself by walking away from him. However, if you don't do that please at least protect yourself by not being identifiable in anything you send him because once something is online that's it - you can't re-bottle the genie

lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:36

Oh my god . I can see it now . I’m really upset . Everything that you have all said . The sexual competitiveness re ex wife because I have found myself wanting to please him and show him I’m different . The getting in my head and hypnotism but objectifying me . Because he does seem to have created me as a object regardless of how tired I am or my work ( I’m a lawyer in a top city firm ) . And Ive sent him photos and videos and he knows where I work .
All of you - your comments have really helped me but I’m sitting here in tears now .
I am lonely and vulnerable after the divorce and thought I’d found a man to take care of me and finally love me . I feel such a fool .
@Enough4me has encapsulated what he’s doing

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lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:37

I feel so distressed

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lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:38

And scared of what he might do re the photos and videos . I’ve been so stupid

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lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:39

@lyralalala he’s got my face in videos and photos

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lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:41

@MuthaFunka61 that’s exactly what I did do . Drop all my boundaries . Oh god I want to die

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lisalisa · 04/11/2020 00:41

I’m not feeling very good at all

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lyralalala · 04/11/2020 00:42

[quote lisalisa]@lyralalala he’s got my face in videos and photos[/quote]
Don't send him anymore.

Hopefully he'll just be a collector of these things, rather than someone who shares them out.

Have a think about what you'd want to do if they do end up online. My friend went down the route of a cease and desist letter because she couldn't face going down the legal revenge-porn route. Understandable, but did mean he got away with it really.

SengaMac · 04/11/2020 00:44

At least you've seen through him now, and you won't be taken in by him any more.

MLMbotsgoaway · 04/11/2020 00:45

Oh Op please please don’t be upset.
This is a lucky escape - you’ve seen him for what he is. Disengage from him.

Don’t panic about the videos etc. The likely outcome is that he will delete them once he’s moved on.

It will all be fine - as long as you get away from this man.

seayork2020 · 04/11/2020 00:49

Just stop contacting him, delete/block whatever and just move on you don't need to turn this into something complicated

joystir59 · 04/11/2020 00:51

You are not in a relationship, you've never met this person. Step away.