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AIBU or are the lives of school staff worthless?

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Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 11:42

I fully appreciate that the education and mental well-being of children is important but why does it trump the physical and mental health of school staff? The facts are simple, people are being told to stay at home because it is unsafe to do otherwise, unless you work in education or the NHS who are provided with effective PPE.

On a daily basis I am expected to supervise the diner where 150 students eat lunch (obviously mask free) if I wish to eat I am also mask free. I have to supervise the same 150 children in narrow corridors. For this pupils are supposed to wear masks but there are a number who refuse (not the students who are exempt) and we cannot enforce it. We hand out hundreds of masks per week to students whose parents don't ensure they have one with them.

We are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms but are given visors which aren't as effective. The children are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms. None of this are rules imposed by the school but are in-line with the government guidance.

We have students who say they have developed a cough knowing we have to send them home, we cannot make the decision as to whether they are lying or not, but I've been verbally abused by parents calling me "fucking stupid" for not knowing when a child is lying.

Before half-term we had 25% of staff off sick as they had tested positive (including myself). There are many experts stating schools should be shut but Boris has done a fantastic job of insinuating that school staff are lazy and don't want to work, and the early response to the unions concerns shows that this is working. I've never suffered with stress or anxiety but the thought of a return to school tomorrow is making me feel sick.

Talking to colleagues who work in other schools it appears my experience is not unusual. So AIBU to think that this government doesn't give a shiny shit about school staff.

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noblegiraffe · 03/11/2020 23:12

Scooting They don't notice the fact they're targeted because it's common place and they accept the constant criticism.

On here?! I think you don’t know what you’re talking about, tbh.

Scootingthebreeze · 03/11/2020 23:14

@noblegiraffe

Scooting They don't notice the fact they're targeted because it's common place and they accept the constant criticism.

On here?! I think you don’t know what you’re talking about, tbh.

Sorry I didn't realise we were only allowed to factor in negativity on Mumsnet and exclude the other avenues used by people to express opinions.

Yes in that case please disregard my observation that people in social services and criminal justice experienced horrendous negativity, because there's not enough of it on Mumsnet to indicate a problem Hmm

processinginprogress · 03/11/2020 23:18

The insinuation in the title of this thread is that the OP believes they are at risk of death by attending their job on a daily basis.

I wonder if they are particularly old or have a significant health issue or if indeed prior to March 2020 they had similar daily concerns about working in a school and potentially catching flu or meningitis for example from the pupil population?

In which case it might have crossed their mind sooner than now that this kind of working environment wasn’t suited to them.

Because otherwise it all seems rather hysterical to me.

echt · 03/11/2020 23:23

The insinuation in the title of this thread is that the OP believes they are at risk of death by attending their job on a daily basis

No it isn't. The thread title is about school staff in general.

Because otherwise it all seems rather hysterical to me

Sexist terminology. I rather thought this casual dismissal of women had died the death. Evidently not.

echt · 03/11/2020 23:24

Private sector workers are needed to raise tax revenue to fund things like healthcare and education (not to mention public sector salaries.)

Public sector workers pay tax too.

processinginprogress · 03/11/2020 23:24

Sexist? Where on earth do you get that from?

skelesheridan · 03/11/2020 23:30

@TheKeatingFive

All the government cares about is having a place where people can dump their little darlings, so they can go to work.

Well that is important. Key workers need to be available to do their jobs. Private sector workers are needed to raise tax revenue to fund things like healthcare and education (not to mention public sector salaries.)

School staff are key workers too. And pay taxes
echt · 03/11/2020 23:30

Sexist? Where on earth do you get that from?

Because otherwise it all seems rather hysterical to me.

I've italicised the word.

theconversation.com/memo-steve-price-how-hysteria-has-been-used-to-degrade-and-control-women-62604

[https://www.tedxvienna.at/blog/yes-this-is-a-sexist-term-and-here-is-why/]]

processinginprogress · 03/11/2020 23:31

Oh thanks for femmesplaining to me. I would never have understood without the italics.

Hysterical Grin

noblegiraffe · 03/11/2020 23:32

Sorry I didn't realise we were only allowed to factor in negativity on Mumsnet

Scooting your original post said

It genuinely amazes me that the same threads appear, about the same workplace (schools) and it goes around in circles.
I don't think I've seen a single thread started to protest the expectations in the pandemic on a Police Officer, Social Worker, Prison Officer, Probation Officer and so on. They are continually in the firing line of mixing at close quarters with others who could easily infect them and not being able to wear PPE within their roles/work environment. Nursery staff are another example of workers who just seem to be getting on with it.

So you were talking about how teachers were vocal on here and when I explained why, and the kicking they have had on MN you complain because I’m bringing it back to MN?

Scootingthebreeze · 03/11/2020 23:38

Noble - yes, correct. However the examples I gave of other work roles were cited because they were examples of sectors which have every right to protest, but don't because they're just used to negativity and not getting the same level of protection as others. I couldn't refer to threads started by them, because I can't recall seeing any.

Anyway, I'm off to bed now to prepare for work in my non PPE wearing workplace, but clearly I can't have it too badly because I'm not a teacher so I just be imagining the risk to myself Hmm

I'm out Wink

echt · 03/11/2020 23:43

Oh thanks for femmesplaining to me. I would never have understood without the italics

Well you clearly didn't understand it the first time, hence your question.

Nicknacky · 03/11/2020 23:44

echt Why don’t you stop trying to patronise other posters? You did it to me the other day and didn’t reply when I challenged you on it.

noblegiraffe · 03/11/2020 23:47

I couldn't refer to threads started by them, because I can't recall seeing any.

So basically switching your argument from MN to other places instead of just accepting that teachers really have had the shit heaped on them on MN and maybe that’s why you see so many threads on here. Ok.

echt · 03/11/2020 23:54

echt Why don’t you stop trying to patronise other posters? You did it to me the other day and didn’t reply when I challenged you on it

  1. The poster asked for information.
  2. Refer me to the thread in question and I'll see what I can do about it.
Nicknacky · 04/11/2020 00:01

echt I tagged you seconds after you posted and you conveniently ignored it. How my experiences were anecdotes.

TheKeatingFive · 04/11/2020 00:04

Public sector workers pay tax too.

Who said they didn’t? They’re not revenue generators though.

School staff are key workers too.

Who said they aren’t? Teachers need their kids in school to do their jobs just like anyone else.

echt · 04/11/2020 00:09

Me: Public sector workers pay tax too.
You: Who said they didn’t?

You, upthread: Private sector workers are needed to raise tax revenue to fund things like healthcare and education (not to mention public sector salaries.)

No mention that we all pay tax.

Mokusspokus · 04/11/2020 00:12

Schools can be made safer, the measures in place only go so far and clinging to masks in corridors as a safety measure means diddly when 30 odd students can then breathe all over each other and the teacher, for hours on end in stuffy classrooms!
This is like cramming on the tube everyday.
There is much more that could be done and I can't understand why virus experts aren't getting into this and classrooms in real life to see the issues and mitigate them?

The stress and frustration comes from being told its safe when it's not!

BugCatcher879 · 04/11/2020 00:59

Wtf why are you not allowed mask in schools in England?

In my school in Scotland you have to wear a mask to even enter the play ground even if you stay outside.

All staff and visitors have to wear a mask inside. Primary pupils free to wear one if they want. Secondary pupils all wear them in corridors and communal areas. Upper secondary all wear them k
In the class too in new guidance due to increased evidence of transmission in that age.

Why is it so different?

knickybricks · 04/11/2020 03:23

You are allowed To wear masks in England - either that or my school are breaking the law - it’s optional or rather it was, from Thursday mask wearing in our school will be as compulsory as the uniform!

VashtaNerada · 04/11/2020 04:00

This is like cramming on the tube everyday. My school is a tube ride away so I currently do both at the moment!
The stress and frustration comes from being told its safe when it's not! THIS. I am happy to teach but it’s frustrating when people pretend schools are ‘safe’ from Covid. Of course they’re bloody not.

echt · 04/11/2020 04:24

echt I tagged you seconds after you posted and you conveniently ignored it. How my experiences were anecdotes

I have no idea what you're on about, Nickynacky I've asked you for the thread reference.

If it helps you have some perspective, I do live on the other side of the world so could conceivably be doing something else.

sherryshelidan · 04/11/2020 07:11

@TheKeatingFive

Public sector workers pay tax too.

Who said they didn’t? They’re not revenue generators though.

School staff are key workers too.

Who said they aren’t? Teachers need their kids in school to do their jobs just like anyone else.

I was stating these facts in responsive to your posts trying to be divisive. It's unhelpful and goady.
stairway · 04/11/2020 07:23

Masks are now compulsory at my son’s school when in lessons. I put my son in a fresh surgical mask every day like many parents. The mask issue appears to be a head teacher issue rather than a government issue. Why aren’t teachers putting pressure on the head teachers who ban masks?