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How to handle this with my daughter ...

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 09:03

Hello all. My 19 year old daughter (has high functioning autism) hasn't had a great deal of life experience, and has struggled socially over the years. She is generally in a better place these days; she is working, and building positive relationships with colleagues (it was a struggle sometimes at her all-girls' school), socialising a little, earning money, and pretty much enjoying life. Smile She is a lovely, lovely girl and you would all love her!
During lockdown, when she couldn't work, she was gaming with an online 'friend' she sort of knew from before. This friendship was a lifeline to her during that time. It was nice to hear her guffawing with laughter, and improving her language skills at the same time (he doesn't speak much English, and doesn't live here). They would also chat for hours and seemed to really click. He's a bit older than her - at 26 - but they seem well matched in terms of maturity levels.
Months passed and you can probably guess what happened. They became more romantically involved (or as much as you can when it's online!), and she is now his girlfriend. This is her first experience of a relationship with the opposite sex.
He makes her happy, even though I've been concerned with some of the comments he has made to her. These are quite controlling, such as him not liking her having interactions with the opposite sex, and questioning her about her FB friends. His previous girlfriend apparently cheated on him. It's all quite intense Confused
She and I have chatted about this. It is so important to me that she talks to me, and that we keep the lines of communication open. It's a fine line between not wanting to appear too judgy, so that she clams up and won't tell me this stuff, and gently making her aware that these could be red flags. She assures me that she is the one in control, and that she doesn't put up with his nonsense. She challenges him on it, he takes it on board and apologises, and then things return to normal. She is wise, bless her, but can also be naive.

A while back, he sent me a FB friend request, after checking with my daughter that it would be ok. I think he wanted to do the whole 'getting to know the mother' thing. FB Messenger is their main means of communication, as well as phone calls, and the gaming. Then after chatting about it with my daughter, he sent me an introductory message, which he was apparently very nervous about. I sent back a polite and friendly reply. I speak his language pretty fluently. Daughter was delighted that we were 'getting on'.
Since then, he has messaged me on average once a week, to say hello and ask how I am. I engage politely and briefly. When I casually tell my daughter 'oh, I heard from X today', she doesn't know about it. The messages have been nothing but innocent, but I'm not sure why he's in touch really, and I don't feel totally comfortable. I'm a single mum, and this could just be me being a bit jaded about men, and seeing red flags where there are none.
My daughter's happiness means everything to me. But I'm worried for her. My daughter told her younger sister that she is going to move to this guy's country to be with him, when she can, and this scares me. I want her to keep talking to me, but I can't be too scathing about him, as then she'll go off on one and refuse to talk.
In some ways it has been really positive for her, having him in her life. She really values her relationship with him, and this seems to be entirely mutual. But several things she has said have had my spidey senses tingling, as he can be slightly creepy and controlling.
I asked her if they have any plans to meet, and we have agreed that if/when they do, it will be in our hometown first.
How would you handle this situation, and what would you do about his messages? I am doing my best, but am aware that she's an adult now. It's a fine line. I just don't want her making a big mistake, and then turning round one day and asking me why I didn't get more involved Sad
Thanks in advance.

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Turin · 31/10/2020 09:45

This sounds so worrying but I sounds like you are doing everything possible to remain a comforting influence in her life. It’s a really tough one. Put your foot down and say no at the risk of damaging your relationship with DD or allow her to intensify her bordering on toxic relationship with him.

She’s an adult- albeit a vulnerable one so there’s little you can do bar continue to express your reservations and concerns. I’d rather have a damaged relationship that can be mended because she was in the same country than a damaged relationship with a child abroad.

Incredibly tough for you but let’s hope she can see through him soon.

bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 09:56

Thank you @Turin, very much.

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BeepBoopBop · 31/10/2020 09:59

I would be hiding her passport. No point locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Also, I would be spending more time with her, baking, walking, talking, not letting this guy become her lifeline. Could be a total over reaction, but until you have a proper handle on his motives and who he actually is IRL, I would be in protection mode.

bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:07

Thanks. Good advice. I will hide the passport as a precaution, but would eat my hat if she ran away. She has always been unbelievably sensible.

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:08

And we are close, so she'd know that it would break my heart if she did that.
Agree that I have to do more with her though.

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:09

That alone won't stop her making him her main focus. I will try however.

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TweeBree · 31/10/2020 10:13

YANBU OP, especially considering her vulnerabilities.

How much do you know about him? Does he have a job? Does he still live at home? I'd try to flesh him out a bit more so you know what you're dealing with.

Other points to stress: her support network is here. Free medical care, which she might struggle with abroad. She has a job, when the world economy is tanking big time.

Could you try to get her into some new hobbies to give her something else to do besides chat with him? It might lessen the obsession and give her a different perspective.

Only you know the level of her vulnerabilities, but I would seriously consider offering to help finance a flat over here to incentivise her to stay local, if it got to that point.

bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:17

Yes, he has a job. And lives with a flat mate. Doesn't seem short of friends, and is very family centric.
I have tried to encourage my daughter into hobbies over the years, but to no avail. Her private school has an array of extra-curricular activities, but she didn't partake. I wish more than anything that her life was more rounded.
To be fair though, I think it's quite common for ASD kids to favour their bedrooms!

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Lauraa7 · 31/10/2020 10:18

Can I ask if you have watched Catfish The Movie. I think you should watch it.
I have a 19 year old and I would be encouraging her to meet people in RL.

bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:18

had an array (as she's no longer there!).

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 10:20

No, I haven't. Pretty sure a friend recently told me about it. Is it the one with the photographer, who falls for a fictional woman?

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Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 31/10/2020 10:32

Has she had video calls with him (and therefore evidence that he is who he says he is)?

That’s a really tough situation. Is he in a nearby European country—I was thinking France possibly from the description? If so it might be possible to support weekend trips twice a month, and help her to stay at home that way? Obviously Covid throws a spanner at the mo

LauraMipsum · 31/10/2020 10:42

Oh gosh OP my heart dropped reading that. I have ASD and had relationships in my late teens / early 20s that were absolutely festooned with red flags and I just didn't see them until it was too late. It's a common experience for lots of adult women on the spectrum sadly Sad

I think I would be talking to her about coercive control and how to spot it, not necessarily framed as being about this relationship but because this is something all young women need to know to keep themselves and their friends safe.

Siw2020 · 31/10/2020 11:02

As he is making such an effort with messaging you etc, could you perhaps suggest a video call with you present?

I'm a similar age to him (but female) and can't help but think 19 and 26 is such a large age gap especially at such a formative age. Of course everyone is different but at 19 I was barely an adult, in my first year of university with a lot of figuring out to do. Most of my peers were also very similar.

Fast forward to now, have a professional career and live with my fiance. Due to my job, still have exposure to youngsters in her age group and while they think they are an adult now, they are very much still nineteen and naive and inexperienced. I think a lot of growing up occurs between 19 and 26 and I would wonder what men my age are interested in 19 year olds for (in my circles, nobody is hence the alarm bells).

It could of course be totally innocent and as a parent I can see your predicament. I think you are doing a great job of open communication. I think I would take an interest whenever your DD raises conversation around him to suss him out more.

At 26, the world is your oyster. Why when you've enough social skills to live with a flatmate would you date a girl online in a different country? This is the kind of age people want to live with their partners / buy a home together / get married etc, so it seems quite unusual to me as someone of the same generation to hear that an online relationship is preferable than one in RL.

For context, I also used to be a bit of a gamer in my teenage years and have experienced online relationships (friendships) which in my circles now people certainly don't understand and is now just nostalgia..

Regularsizedrudy · 31/10/2020 11:08

A 26 year old has no business with a 19 year old. This all sounds horrible tbh. She has been groomed by him and there is no way I would let this continue. She should be having normal real life relationships with people her own age.

bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 11:42

@Regularsizedrudy

Talk about stating the obvious! Of course I would prefer her to have real life relationships. And you 'wouldn't let' it continue. Well, good luck with that. And do you even have adult offspring?

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 11:45

@Onjnmoeiejducwoapy

Yes, they've had lots of video calls, so he definitely is who he says he is.

Thank you EVERYONE for your comments. It's much appreciated and I find it very valuable.

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Waveysnail · 31/10/2020 11:55

I dont have adult children but you are definitely doing the right thing about boosting her self confidence and knowledge about things like controlling relationships etc

SavoyCabbage · 31/10/2020 12:00

This is more '90 day fiancé' than 'catfish' as she is actually talking to him on video call.

There's two issues here. One is that he lives in another country and they aren't having a 'real life' relationship.

The other is that he is older and might be a bit of a git.

In a way, the first is almost an advantage. It means they are having to talk more to get to know one another and they are having to take things more slowly than they would be if they lived in the same town.

The fact that he's from another country may mean he's beenbrought up to have different expectations of relationships and women. There is a chance he might start to think differently as he gets to know more about your dd but there is a chance he won't!

It's unlikely that she's just going to run off to wherever it is, especially as you are so close. You could research together wherever it is he's from and look at what life is like there. Under the guise of getting to know his country.

DontGoIntoTheLongGrass · 31/10/2020 12:06

I've got first hand experience of this as I had the same situation when I was 19. Gaming, a guy in a different country I swore I would move to to be with him at first opportunity. He didn't like me talking to other guys, would get moody if I did and tried to isolate me from them and other friends. He said he was "broken" and whenever he tried to isolate me or be paranoid he blamed it on his "issues". He lied about his life and continually changed his story to make him seem like a hero or like he'd been treated terribly his whole life. I fell for it at first being very young with no life experience myself but it got to a point where his lies became too farfetched. All other friends believed him. He then told me he was sexting another girl and cheating on me. He once again acted the "broken hero" and blamed it on his issues. I forgave him for a few months until we had an argument over me talking to a male friend. I woke up suddenly at that point and told him to get fucked. I was 21 at that point. I'm now 32 and married with children to a fantastic man. I chalk it up to life experience. It was fun at the time and greats laughs but he wasn't who he said he was.

Just be there for your daughter in case you need to pick up the pieces. People can pretend to be whoever they want to be online unfortunately.

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bloodyhairy · 31/10/2020 12:57

French, but not North African.

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TabithaMeow · 31/10/2020 13:01

I feel like I am missing something - I can understand why YOU are being cautious, OP, as she is your daughter and you clearly adore her and it is her first relationship! But I think the other posters have overreacted a little. In our culture, messaging you may seem odd but in many other cultures (like where I currently live) it would be a lovely and very appropriate gesture and in some cultures (like my husband's culture) it would even be expected. Commenting on how he feels jealous about other men COULD be controlling or it COULD be totally normal, innocent and honest conversation. I have confessed to feeling jealous in the past! It depends how it was said, doesn't it? "I can't help feeling a bit jealous when you go out with other boys, I wish I could go out with you!" sort of thing or "You'd better not be going out with anyone else!" sort of thing. And all the people being negative JUST because it is an online relationship! I know and hear of people who met online and are so happy - meeting online doesn't always = catfish Hmm Yes, pay attention, as you have been doing, but don't overreact, and keep talking with your daughter so she knows she can communicate freely with, and trust you.

Aquamarine1029 · 31/10/2020 13:07

I am very, very concerned about your daughter and I'm not even involved in the situation! Red flags are everywhere on this one and she is extremely vulnerable. I too would be hiding her passport.

flaviaritt · 31/10/2020 13:11

Sorry, but if you steal and hide your 19 YO’s passport then you are the one being coercive and controlling. She is a legal adult. Keep talking to her.

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