To think tier 3 restrictions are a bit pathetic?

[Noideawottodo]

Have I got this wrong? No household mixing and pubs only open if they serve food?

So people can shop, work, go to school and go to the pub with family members as normal?

I'm not a huge lockdown fan, but having seen what Wales is doing, England's tier 3 seems weak. Surely that's not enough to stop the virus spreading?

Because the kind of contact people have when they've had a skinful late into the evening, is very different to when they're sitting round a table having "a" glass of wine?

Of course it won't eliminate anything but every close contact that is avoided makes a difference. Why are people so determined not to acknowledge that?

If I'm positive and I go to work, I probably infect the person I sit next to in a smallish office all day, although we do make a proper effort to stay 2m apart, do lots of hand and surface sanitizing etc, so she might get away with it. I'm unlikely to infect any of the other people I work with, our contacts are only fleeting. If I go for a meal wih 5 others, probably I'll only infect those I'm sitting close to.

If we then buy drinks on the way home and go back to mine, they're all going to get it. Plus they might do the same thing with a different group the next night and so on.

@NailsNeedDoing

I don’t think the restrictions are feeble, if anything they are the opposite and quite harsh. I honestly can’t believe how easily we have accepted normal living being curtailed to this extent. But if the virus really is as awful as were being told and it’s worth taking away so many of our liberties, then it does seem feeble. As long as schools are open, the virus will continue to spread. It’s either worth ruining people’s lives for or it’s not, they seem to want it both ways at the moment.

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We are in tier 3. This afternoon I'm driving to wales taking my son to fetch his daughter here for the weekend . He hasn't been able to see her for several weeks due to life and covid getting in the way . She is fifteen and is having mental health issues . She took an overdose a couple of weeks ago and really needs to see her dad . I just hope they don't try to stop us en route .

Because the kind of contact people have when they've had a skinful late into the evening, is very different to when they're sitting round a table having "a" glass of wine?

But alcohol doesn't have a curfew just like civid. It doesn't hold out til 10.00 to be a problem. We have a terrible binge drinking culture in this country and frankly all that will happen is they order shots with their lints and cram a nights drinks in the few hours they have .

Pubs used to shut at half 10 on a Sunday. Sone even closed at lunchtime and would re open in the evening fir a few hours. People still got pissed. For sone its the whole purpose of going out tbh. And they will.achieve that whether they stop serving at half 9 or not

Ken- it's an essential journey for care needs of s person with mental health difficulties.

I’m in a tier 2 area which is most probably going into tier 3 soon. There’s been a huge rise in cases in our town. We also have a 45% Asian population, 25% black and 30% white. We have had a lot of COVID deaths in our area and a lot of the middle aged and elderly Asian people who are catching it are suffering quite severely. Knowing all this, there are still people taking unnecessary risks. On my road there’s already been 2 house parties shut down. Older teens and young adults are meeting up in large groups in parks. We have a local Facebook page dedicated to COVID conspiracies and encouraging people not to wear masks. The council have put up posters saying not to trick or treat as people have put posts on Facebook trying to get groups together. Honestly, some people are trying so hard but others are determined to do the complete opposite. Honestly, I think they need to be much stricter or we will never get it under control

And in Nottinghamshire (as well as putting an area into Tier 3 with substantially lower rates - including amongst the elderly - than others that are only now going into Tier 2), it's not just pubs that may only open if they serve substantial meals. It's cafes as well. So no stopping for a coffee with members of your own household. Given that the likelihood of infection increases the longer the exposure, it really makes no sense to have people sitting down for longer with a "substantial meal" rather than a quick coffee.

The randomness and inconsistencies of it all and no targeting properly the hotspots of infection, together with - from the very start - the whole "do as I say, not as I do" approach from the Government, has made it far more difficult to implement and maintain sensible behavioural changes across the country.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Because the kind of contact people have when they've had a skinful late into the evening, is very different to when they're sitting round a table having "a" glass of wine?

But alcohol doesn't have a curfew just like civid. It doesn't hold out til 10.00 to be a problem. We have a terrible binge drinking culture in this country and frankly all that will happen is they order shots with their lints and cram a nights drinks in the few hours they have .

Pubs used to shut at half 10 on a Sunday. Sone even closed at lunchtime and would re open in the evening fir a few hours. People still got pissed. For sone its the whole purpose of going out tbh. And they will.achieve that whether they stop serving at half 9 or not

Again, it's about reducing the contacts not eliminating them. Yes some determined drunks will still drink to excess but very many won't, if it all stops at 10pm.

Plus, if they complied with the no mixing of households, who are they drinking with?

It's not perfect but it's not completely pointless. What is certian is it will be if people keep telling each other it is and giving "permission" to ignore it all.

Ken1976 that journey is allowed whatever level you're in surely?

@RunBackwards

Ken1976 that journey is allowed whatever level you're in surely?

She’s driving to Wales, where there are travel restrictions. It will be allowed under ‘care’ exemptions though. My terminally ill aunt is in Wales and family from England are continuing to visit her.

Expecting households not to mix is relying on peer pressure or nosy neighbours. Pubs, restaurants, gyms and shops having restrictions can be enforced easily or are self-enforcing.

@PurpleDaisies

So people can shop, work, go to school and go to the pub with family members as normal?

Only family members in their own household.

But in terms of meeting in pubs there isn't any change between tier 3 and what people have got used to from weeks on tier 2.

The only difference between 2 and 3 in terms of meeting people is that you can no longer meet people in your garden and snuggle round your space heater, you have to meet them in a park or on a beach or a hillside and brave everything the weather can throw at you. Probably quite clever - how to stop people socialising at all without explicitly banning it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we don't have internet or power issues.

Going to a coffee shop was my emergency plan so I could continue working. 30 houses up the road had no power all day the other day. But that's not possible now.

Yes there either needs to be a full lockdown again like back in March or just not bother as some of the other measures like not buying alcohol after 9pm are just ridiculous

To be honest the thought of going to a pub or restaurant at the moment just seems like a total waste of time and effort

No atmosphere
Increasing the risk
Places putting prices up to compensate for not having as many tables in there
And half the time getting food you could cook better at home

We haven't bothered and the help out to eat out just encouraged everyone piling into places and putting more people at risk

No ideal for those working in hospitality but I can't see it changing anytime soon unfortunately

Tier 3 here. Yesterday my DH went to do a repair job at a warehouse is another tier 3 area. He completed a 3 side A4 questionnaire before he went regarding our Covid statement etc. When he got there the employees were not wearing masks etc, they were messing around, joking and jumping on each other etc. The place had a tiny bottle of sanitizer on a table by the entrance, just like the handbag 49p jobbies. He insisted that they bring the offending fork truck out into the yard to be worked on as he was not happy with the set up on the premises. The service manager there mocked him and my DH stood his ground and completed the work outside. This is a very large company completely ignoring the rules, whilst on paper just doing a box ticking exercise on their sub contractors paperwork, because they themselves were doing sweet FA. This is not a singular case and is why there are big spreading problems in workplaces. We have reported them to their local authorities but don't expect things to change as this sort of thing has been going on for months.

@allmycats
That's awful behaviour and completely inconsiderate to your husband.
Good on him for reporting them I'd have taken photos/ videos on my phone aswell and emailed the local paper
When people are trying really hard to abide by the rules, behaviour like that just isn't very helpful is it?

We’re going into tier 3 next week and I panicked asking DH what this actually means, he said absolutely nothing for us. Bars and pubs (that don’t sell food) close but that’s it. We don’t go to pubs or bars anymore so this doesn’t affect us whatsoever. We can still do as we please really, no change from tier 2. The whole tier system is feeble.

But we can't do as we please. We can't visit friends or relatives, unless they're outside in groups of no more than six. That's going to get old into autumn or winter. Indoor exercise classes will stop as well, plus some other indoor businesses.

There's also whole industries still completely closed or heavily disrupted.

We can still do as we please really

Well yes, I guess if you don’t usually see friends and family in their houses you can just ‘do as you please’. It’s nothing like my normal life though.

@Redlocks30

I agree-it’s very feeble! I don’t actually think the numbers will start going down anywhere unless schools close though.

Agreed.

I desperately want schools to stay.open but i think you.might be right, sadly

I think schools closing would be totally disastrous for young people but I do appreciate that it's a breeding ground for the virus.

However I don't believe pubs/bars/restaurants/ cafes in enclosed spaces should be open unless they're providing a takeaway service for people. I'm not understanding why these should be prioritised over people's education as it seems to be the view in some newspapers.

Schools should close as an absolute last resort and under tier 3 all non essential places should close as they did do in March but for young people's mental health, education is vitally important.