Page 18 | AIBU to think a 6 year old is too young to be forced to where a mask?

SchrodingersImmigrant · 30/10/2020 13:20

Oh my god. I am muting this because it isn't even funny anymore

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 13:21

Being uncomfortable because she couldn’t breathe well enough would distress her. I am not going to debate the semantics of that. She isn’t wearing one unless she wants to. She’s 4.

halloweenagain · 30/10/2020 13:23

Oh my, I can't believe this is still going!
Woke up this morning got dc ready for school off they went wearing masks like all their school.
Have been since school reopened in August, no drama.

RB68 · 30/10/2020 13:24

If the adults are doing it without a fuss then the kids will follow suit. Get decent ones that fit properly and if there is no medical reason for not wearing should be fine

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 13:26

If the adults are doing it without a fuss then the kids will follow suit.

That just isn’t true. I wear mine with no fuss at all, only positivity. My child said, “No. I don’t like it.” And removed it multiple times. She doesn’t like it.

Marzipan12 · 30/10/2020 13:33

That's where you step in and make it a fun positive experience. I'm sorry but your child said no, she wasn't distressed she just said no. It's your job to explain and make it fun 😕

halloweenagain · 30/10/2020 13:34

If you were actually in a situation where your dc needed to wear one they would be supported by the school to do so.
All of the primary children in our school have managed to do this.
It is not the issue in reality that you imagine to be for the vast majority of children.

Marzipan12 · 30/10/2020 13:36

To add my son says he dosent like homework and countless other things, in fact at age 4 it was his favourite word. That dosent mean I gave in to him every time he said it. Funnilly enough this hasnt traumatised him 😉

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 13:36

If you were actually in a situation where your dc needed to wear one they would be supported by the school to do so.

Why do you think her school has magic powers? If she doesn’t want to wear one because it is uncomfortable, she isn’t going to find it suddenly comfortable because someone else lies to her about it. She doesn’t like it.

And she wouldn’t be going to any school that forced her to cover her face.

halloweenagain · 30/10/2020 13:44

My actual experience is that most dc don't initially really want to wear masks but because they are encouraged by teachers, parents and everyone else around them them they accept that this is another rule to be followed in their lives.
They are taught about why they wear masks so they gain understanding of why this rule has happened.
Social conditioning is very powerful and it soon becomes the new normal.

My ds didn't like mask wearing at first and often opted not to go out if he had to wear a mask but after a couple of months this becomes boring and mask wearing becomes more normal. Now he wears them without noticing.

Children are forced to go to bed, get up for school, brush their teeth, brush their hair, do reading, writing etc, etc. Mask wearing is just another temporary additional task, no more no less.

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 13:50

halloweenagain

Then we simply disagree.

Marzipan12 · 30/10/2020 13:51

@flaviaritt so you are going to be one of THOSE parents. I feel sorry for the school that has to put up with you.

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:15

@flaviaritt

If the adults are doing it without a fuss then the kids will follow suit.

That just isn’t true. I wear mine with no fuss at all, only positivity. My child said, “No. I don’t like it.” And removed it multiple times. She doesn’t like it.

I'm going to hazard a guess that when you were younger adults didnt respect your boundaries enough and now its a big thing for you?

And maybe that, coupled with your belief that masks are ineffective (based on what evidence?).

Letting a child not do something simply because they "dont like it" is not a good approach IMO, and will be setting that child up for failure in their adult lives. But anyway, that is not why I want my children to wear masks. Just wanted to point it out...

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 14:19

Cocomobile

It would be a ‘thing’ to respect my daughter’s boundaries however I had been treated.

What makes you think I think masks are ineffective? I know (roughly) how and why they work.

And I don’t need your advice to parent, thank you. My daughter is not being ‘set up for failure’ because I will not force her to wear a face mask at 4. There are many other things she has to do, like them or not. This isn’t one of them, because I consider it abusive.

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:20

@flaviaritt

and of course, if my child reacted much more strongly and showed signs of actual distress (which he hasnt), then I would in fact just avoid that situation and not take him into situations where I wasnt comfortable with him not wearing a mask.

Which is (of course) what I have said. I would remove my child from school (or any other situation) before I forced her to wear a mask because I think that to do so would be horrendous. Your opinion on my brains or where I get my information is irrelevant to me. I AM entitled not to force my child into a mask.

I expressed no opinion on your brains or where you get your information from. That conclusion you reached was your own. I simply stated where I get MY information from and how I formulate my own decisions.

I shall just quote you back to yourself, and leave it at that as this is clearly never going to go anywhere.

"Good luck to you and all your kids."

DameFanny · 30/10/2020 14:24

@Meadow1203

This is now the law [in France] edited by MNHQ for clarity. I think this could be very frightening for a small child.

You never played Zorro as a kid OP? Cops and robbers? Superheroes all wear masks and the DC ones often have their mouths covered.

Don't project your anxieties onto children - it's really bad for them

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:24

@flaviaritt

Cocomobile

It would be a ‘thing’ to respect my daughter’s boundaries however I had been treated.

What makes you think I think masks are ineffective? I know (roughly) how and why they work.

And I don’t need your advice to parent, thank you. My daughter is not being ‘set up for failure’ because I will not force her to wear a face mask at 4. There are many other things she has to do, like them or not. This isn’t one of them, because I consider it abusive.

so clearly this is just about what you think is a reasonable boundary vs other people.

We just draw the line in different places as to what is 'trauma' (facemasks according to you) and what is a necessary inconvenience (e.g. wearing a seat belt in the car, which many children express displeasure against)

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 14:25

so clearly this is just about what you think is a reasonable boundary vs other people.

Of course. I think it is unreasonable for people to force small children to cover their faces. That is what I said.

HazeyJaneII · 30/10/2020 14:26

@SchrodingersImmigrant
It certainly contains dangerous levels of whataboutery, narcissism, hyperbole and tinfoil hattery.
I'm not sure I have ever seen a thread so utterly dominated by one person, especially one for whom the situation isn't even an issue!!

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:28

ok last thing, you are more than entitled to make your own decisions. If you think wearing a face mask at age 4 is a trauma then go ahead and continue doing that.

I was just pointing out your inconsistencies and lack of a solid argument because you were being aggressive and rude towards other people (unnecessarily)

EVERYONE is allowed an opinion, not just yourself. If you shoot other people's opinions down, dont become upset when people start to do the same to you

DameFanny · 30/10/2020 14:28

@Kinny14

**TheTrollFairy

@Kinny14 you really need to reconsider what you see as abusive to a child hmm... em no I don’t and if you don’t think its abusive then you’re a scumbag. It’s sick not allowing children breath fresh air. Imagine a virus so dangerous that you have to be tested to even know you have it.

You've been reading Facebook haven't you? This isn't true, it's just hyperbole from people who look like if they weren't being asked to wear a small square of fabric, would be more than happy lurking in a full Balaclava

Procrastination4 · 30/10/2020 14:30

Fortunately children are much more adaptable than a lot of adults (speaking for my experience of over 35 years as teacher at primary level). Some put their fears/dislikes/phobias on their children(eg fear of spiders is a very common one). Totally wrong. A positive attitude by adults goes a long way to contributing to a child’s positive attitude to things.

flaviaritt · 30/10/2020 14:31

Cocomobile

Let’s leave it there. I haven’t been rude or aggressive, just given my opinion clearly and honestly. But I don’t want to engage further when you speak in such poor faith. You know perfectly well I am not being rude, just disagreeing with you. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:31

@flaviaritt

so clearly this is just about what you think is a reasonable boundary vs other people.

Of course. I think it is unreasonable for people to force small children to cover their faces. That is what I said.

and thats fine. Why not just leave it at that? Once you start using aggressive hyperbolic language (e.g. telling me that what i was doing was 'horrific'), then people will indeed respond

Cocomobile · 30/10/2020 14:32

@flaviaritt

Cocomobile

Let’s leave it there. I haven’t been rude or aggressive, just given my opinion clearly and honestly. But I don’t want to engage further when you speak in such poor faith. You know perfectly well I am not being rude, just disagreeing with you. Enjoy the rest of your day.

really? You think that calling my decision "horrific" isnt rude?

goodbye