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To think a smart phone is an essential?

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picklecustard · 26/10/2020 15:58

So every time I see the debate about free lunches for poor families on Facebook and social media, there are always people who comment about the same families being able to afford ‘non-essential luxuries’ sometimes it’s Sky Tv sometimes cigarettes and booze, but one example that consistently gets mentioned is having an i-phone/smart phone/phone contract.

Quite baffled that in this day and age people consider possessing a smart phone as a non-essential luxury. I know few people with a landline nowadays and a mobile is the point of contact for most. It’s also far more useful in the case of an emergency as you always have it with you. Access to the internet via a phone is also a necessity to most- when I needed a job most vacancies were advertised online and needed to be applied for online, I don’t drive so do my food shopping online (as well as finding recipes online), doctors appointments are booked much more easily online for my local surgery, my bills and banking are managed via apps and online, my children’s school only send letters via ParentMail app or email so all news/forms/payments and everything relevant to their schooling requires my iphone. And that’s just a few examples. My phone is genuinely an essential for everyday living and I’m surprised people don’t see it that way!

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Clandestiney · 27/10/2020 15:14

@WinnieMac but you have the choice to buy one, that is the difference. You are acting all smug as you have a basic phone and cannot fathom why anyone would need/want a smartphone; even leaving the fact you have several other devices to access the internet or do whatever, it's still a choice, you don't have an old one even though it makes your life harder or where it would be your only access to online.

thegcatsmother · 27/10/2020 15:18

Fun You can’t video call your child’s teacher on a Nokia brick can you? If your child, like mine, is 25, there is no need to call his teacher!

Different things work for different people in different circumstances. I'm 54, ds is through university, and I have no need of a smartphone, as I have a desktop and a Kindle Fire. Ds has a laptop and smartphone and a Fire; dh shares my desktop, has a laptop and a dumb phone, as he has no need for a smartphone any more now he has retired from a high pressure job. There is no mileage in either of us having a smartphone, as it wouldn't be used.

The cost of the desk top and lap top were one off, and we have broadband anyway. My desktop is still good after 6 years use and does what I need it to do.

funinthesun19 · 27/10/2020 15:21

Nobody is talking about a £60 a month,top of the range anything,Iphone or not.

Exactly. People are talking about smartphones in general. People on low incomes shouldn’t have one and that’s what it all boils down to.
Even if someone on a low income had the cheapest contract going on a smartphone, they might still have financial difficulties. But apparently it’s the cheap smartphone causing it all. If a phone contract is the only way they can get hold of a smartphone which they need for various things in their life, then needs must.

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 27/10/2020 15:24

@funinthesun19

Nobody is talking about a £60 a month,top of the range anything,Iphone or not.

Exactly. People are talking about smartphones in general. People on low incomes shouldn’t have one and that’s what it all boils down to.
Even if someone on a low income had the cheapest contract going on a smartphone, they might still have financial difficulties. But apparently it’s the cheap smartphone causing it all. If a phone contract is the only way they can get hold of a smartphone which they need for various things in their life, then needs must.

The thread is about children on FSM , not parents with 25 yos and lucky/wealthy enough to afford several devices.
funinthesun19 · 27/10/2020 15:25

If your child, like mine, is 25, there is no need to call his teacher!

Nope. Mine are primary school aged. So I need to speak to their teachers. When your child was their age smartphones didn’t exist, but they do now and we have to use zoom (Sad). Lucky you!

funinthesun19 · 27/10/2020 15:26

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble

I know it is?

Noitjustwontdo · 27/10/2020 15:31

I agree but I think people mean you don’t need the latest iPhone which probably sets you back £60 a month. I have my DH’s old iPhone X and it does the job perfectly fine, I had a beat up 6S before that for years. We try to live within our means and aren’t all about designer labels and such.

Everyone prioritises different things. Someone in my DH’s family has the top sky TV package, every games console going, spends a fortune every month vaping, buy their DC endless Robux and ‘v bucks’ for fortnite etc. They live in a tiny 2 bedroom council house which is honestly just a mess and their two children share a tiny bedroom despite being different sexes and the eldest being a teenager... You often see their children wearing school shoes in their spare time, I don’t think they own any other shoes. So you know, they have the latest smartphone and every games console on the market but they ‘can’t afford’ to move into a bigger home. They went to court over rent arrears last year too.

I think this is what people mean really, that some parents are feckless and prioritise the wrong things. Not all struggling parents though by any means!

SpeccyLime · 27/10/2020 15:33

People forget that there was a time before 2007 or thereabouts, when smartphones did not exist, somehow the human race survived.

You can’t hark back to a time when nobody had smartphones and use that as proof that they aren’t a pretty essential item now when virtually everyone has one.

Internet access is a fundamental right; without it, people are enormously hampered in accessing a range of essential services, planning their lives, shopping, accessing information, keeping in touch with friends and family, accessing entertainment, working, finding work, making travel plans etc. Of course these things can be done on a laptop, but a laptop is inconvenient to carry around, is unlikely to have 4G, and can’t be purchased on a contract.

For those relying on libraries, Internet cafes or on no internet at all, the sheer amount of time it would take to obtain the same results would be vast. Most people don’t have that time when they’re also working, looking for work, raising children, caring for families etc.

Not to mention that it’s hardly any less extravagant to have a phone, laptop, camera etc than to have one device which does all of those things.

Just in case anyone is not clear, paying £30 a month for a phone contract is NOT cheaper than paying £100 once for a second hand phone plus £5 a month for a sim contract.

Of course it isn’t cheaper. But poverty is expensive. Many, many people rely on credit for purchasing expensive items because they can afford a smaller monthly payment but not a large upfront cost.

If you need a smartphone today because without one you can’t keep in touch with your child’s school, be an emergency contact for your ailing mother and be contactable by your job, you’re sure as shit going to sign up for the £30 monthly contract instead of deciding to wait 4 months until you’ve saved enough for a £100 smartphone. Of course you will end up paying more in the long term, but that is the shitty, expensive reality for a lot of people in poverty or financial difficulty.

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 27/10/2020 15:37

@funinthesun19

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble

I know it is?

Sorry quoted the wrong poster. I meant to quote the poster with the 25yo son ,which is completely irrelevant to a thread about children on FSM.
ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 27/10/2020 15:38

@thegcatsmother

Fun You can’t video call your child’s teacher on a Nokia brick can you? If your child, like mine, is 25, there is no need to call his teacher!

Different things work for different people in different circumstances. I'm 54, ds is through university, and I have no need of a smartphone, as I have a desktop and a Kindle Fire. Ds has a laptop and smartphone and a Fire; dh shares my desktop, has a laptop and a dumb phone, as he has no need for a smartphone any more now he has retired from a high pressure job. There is no mileage in either of us having a smartphone, as it wouldn't be used.

The cost of the desk top and lap top were one off, and we have broadband anyway. My desktop is still good after 6 years use and does what I need it to do.

The thread is about children on FSM , not parents with 25 yos and lucky/wealthy enough to afford several devices.

Second try.

funinthesun19 · 27/10/2020 15:40

If you need a smartphone today because without one you can’t keep in touch with your child’s school, be an emergency contact for your ailing mother and be contactable by your job, you’re sure as shit going to sign up for the £30 monthly contract instead of deciding to wait 4 months until you’ve saved enough for a £100 smartphone. Of course you will end up paying more in the long term, but that is the shitty, expensive reality for a lot of people in poverty or financial difficulty.

Thank you!
You put it much better than I did.

People just don’t get it.

funinthesun19 · 27/10/2020 15:43

Sorry quoted the wrong poster. I meant to quote the poster with the 25yo son ,which is completely irrelevant to a thread about children on FSM.

I thought so Smile Sorry I was a bit rude in my last post.

canigooutyet · 27/10/2020 15:56

And even to apply for fsm, the parent/guardian needs to be online in some way.
Bank account - online
Pay your bills unless you have DD, online. Paypoints have a cap on the amount you can pay.
If you're in social housing, online to report repairs and countless other things.
Shopping

When TFL mischarge you, online to get your money back
Access to the library - online

Utilities comparison - online. I do this yearly, and go through cashback sites.

More and more hospital trusts are going online to make appointments and to get your results. Never mind the actual appointments!!
Things like repeat prescriptions, delivery services and gp contact.

People will always prioritise things they deem essential to them. For example, to me sanitary pads etc aren't essential thankfully. Whereas a year ago the £60+ a month bill plus the smart phone cost were highly essential.

NetflixWatcher · 27/10/2020 16:00

I didn't have a smart phone for years (only recently got a cheap one). I'm not into technology, for me its definately not essential. My kids are at school or with me and I'm at home (have home phone) or at work so easily contacted.

NetflixWatcher · 27/10/2020 16:03

My nans just got a basic £5 mobile from argos or tescos (we looked at both, cannot remember who we went with). It was £15 in total as £10 of it was a topup.

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 27/10/2020 16:04

@NetflixWatcher

My nans just got a basic £5 mobile from argos or tescos (we looked at both, cannot remember who we went with). It was £15 in total as £10 of it was a topup.
Is your nan responsible for children in need of FSM?
NetflixWatcher · 27/10/2020 16:05

Oh no sorry, I was just saying you can get cheap mobiles

Clandestiney · 27/10/2020 16:05

My nans just got a basic £5 mobile from argos or tescos (we looked at both, cannot remember who we went with). It was £15 in total as £10 of it was a topup.

Great, is she going to use it to apply for jobs? Communicate with schools (which seems to be increasingly via apps or email)? How about apply for top up benefits as her part time job is below the threshold? Look up bus timetables as invariably they are mainly online now?

canigooutyet · 27/10/2020 16:08

@Noitjustwontdo

I agree but I think people mean you don’t need the latest iPhone which probably sets you back £60 a month. I have my DH’s old iPhone X and it does the job perfectly fine, I had a beat up 6S before that for years. We try to live within our means and aren’t all about designer labels and such.

Everyone prioritises different things. Someone in my DH’s family has the top sky TV package, every games console going, spends a fortune every month vaping, buy their DC endless Robux and ‘v bucks’ for fortnite etc. They live in a tiny 2 bedroom council house which is honestly just a mess and their two children share a tiny bedroom despite being different sexes and the eldest being a teenager... You often see their children wearing school shoes in their spare time, I don’t think they own any other shoes. So you know, they have the latest smartphone and every games console on the market but they ‘can’t afford’ to move into a bigger home. They went to court over rent arrears last year too.

I think this is what people mean really, that some parents are feckless and prioritise the wrong things. Not all struggling parents though by any means!

When I had Sky, I had the top package. Used to pay around £30 a month because I kept wanting to leave. Even now they still make me offers to come back. Every games consol going would take a few years to buy regardless of income due to release dates. Black Friday and cashback sites can make these affordable. It's how we got them. V bucks, there's always ways to get them cheaper, and depending on the site, cashback. 4 people in a small 2 bedroom will bring lots of additional clutter usually due to lack of space. Moving into a bigger house - perhaps they don't want to give up a stable tenancy to move to the unknowns of the private market.

One of mine only wears one pair of shoes, as a child would buy him a couple of pairs, they would end up on Ebay, still in the box unused several months later. Same with clothes. He's still the same as an adult. Many adults are the same due to choice.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 27/10/2020 16:08

It is unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.
There is a only a tiny percentage of people who are reckless with the amount of money coming in & that includes wealthy as well as low wage/needing benefits etc.

NetflixWatcher · 27/10/2020 16:08

Shes nearly 90 Confused sorry people I didn't read the whole thread I was literally just saying theres really cheap phones out there.

canigooutyet · 27/10/2020 16:13

@NetflixWatcher

My nans just got a basic £5 mobile from argos or tescos (we looked at both, cannot remember who we went with). It was £15 in total as £10 of it was a topup.
We've done similar deals over the years with both those and carphone warehouse. Get the handset, buy the top up at the same time and it works out cheaper. I avoid the ones stuck to one network, so when then top up finishes I can get a better bundle.

And yes to public transport app even more so at the moment due to limited capacity, as they aren't on schedule with any paper timetables.

grenlei · 27/10/2020 16:15

A phone AND internet access are necessary for most people (it's possible but not desirable to manage without).

However as has been said, a basic smartphone can be purchased for £50-60 (or even less, I've seen old smartphones still working but with cosmetic damage given away free on FB sites); sim only deals can be obtained for under £10 a month, or you can get a smartphone on a contract for £15-20 a month or less.

No one NEEDS the latest I phone, or an expensive monthly tariff.

grenlei · 27/10/2020 16:20

Sorry was going to add that whilst a phone with internet access may well be useful, if you have broadband at home and another device(s) to access it on, it may be possible to manage with just a basic phone until finances permit otherwise.

Frequentcarpetflyer · 27/10/2020 16:26

@grenlei

Sorry was going to add that whilst a phone with internet access may well be useful, if you have broadband at home and another device(s) to access it on, it may be possible to manage with just a basic phone until finances permit otherwise.
Tha's what I do. It is very much possible.
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