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DDs father wanting to see his daughter

36 replies

PinkyX · 24/10/2020 16:34

So I found out i was pregnant with DD, ex told me to "get rid of it" as we had plans to travel abroad, I have always been anti abortion (I have family members and friends that have had them and thats their decision and would hold no hate towards them but for me personally I would never have one) so I had told him I will not be having the abortion, he ended up going abroad and I stayed and continued the pregnancy alone which was absolutely fine. He then come back to the UK and i bumped into him in town and i tried to speak to him and he shrugged me off and said "it aint my brat" and continued this until after she was born,I had seen him again after she was born and he looked at her in the pram and denied that she was his child again by this point I was enraged. I phoned CSA and asked for a DNA to prove to him so they did, it took a while as he kept not turning up to his appointment to get the swab done, he finally did and of course the test come back that he is her father (what a surprise Hmm ) anywhoo I had a message on Instagram to say he wanted to see her, I asked to meet halfway in town as I didnt drive and there was a storm and I didnt fancy 2 bus trips and alot of walking to get to his house with a small baby who had a few health problems as she was prem, he refused and said if I didnt come to his then not to bother at all so I did. He met her and didnt say much, he held her for a minute then handed her to me (she was 6 months old at this point). He then didnt want to see her again but would randomly decide to pop into her life call himself daddy, confuse her and leave for months or a year again. My daughter is now 4 years old, he has come back again wanting contact i said that I want him to attend mediation with me first, have a set time and a set day that he sticks to every week, and for it to be in a place she is familiar with and with a person present that she is familiar with until DD is comfortable around him as to her it would be like giving her over to a stranger, He has told me no, he works 6 days so cant accommodate to me (although he only has to pay £6 a week maintenance, not sure how that's worked out if that's the case lol but he's never even paid the £6 anyway!)he informed me that he will be taking his daughter to his mothers (who my DD also doesn't know) and will not have anyone fimiliar there as he doesn't need supervising and he didnt attend mediation. Am I being unreasonable asking for this? I dont want to take her right to have her father around away from her but I also don't want to enable him to treat her this way anymore when it will emotionally hurt her, she doesn't need this. In a perfect world he would be consistant and would have had this all sorted a long time ago. His reasons for coming back this time is because of Covid and his new girlfriend means he isn't going abroad, not because of wanting to know his daughter. And just little things when I explained my reasonings for not wanting him to take her off till they both know each other, i asked him did he know what she is allergic to? Of course he didn't. Another thing that has played on my mind is that he said to me "he won't pay me maintenance incase i spend it on myself" and also made some strange comment on how he doesnt get a say in what she wears, i just said he is welcome to buy her some clothes for her to pick out, she wears whats appropriate for weather but other than that i let her pick if she wants to wear her unicorns or whatever colour she would like that day, just found it very controlling the way he come out with it.. His mum thinks I'm being unreasonable, my mum thinks I'm doing the right thing but I guess I just need an outsiders perspective on this as I feel so guilty, I just want whats best for my daughter. Sorry for the rambling also lol, its been a long 4/5 years!

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Nottherealslimshady · 24/10/2020 16:38

Do not hand your daughter over to him. It will damage her more to have a stranger coming in and out of her life than to not see him at all.
If he wants access he can go to court, pay proper child maintenance, and be a consistent reliable presence.

NameChangeAgain222 · 24/10/2020 16:42

Don't let him anywhere near her. Tell him to take you to court. He will have to prove himself reliable before they let him see her. It sounds like he wouldn't bother. You're doing the right thing. 100% YANBU.

Sausagis · 24/10/2020 16:42

Agree, make him go to court. If he can't be bothered then it's obviously a 10-minute-wonder again.

BlueThistles · 24/10/2020 16:42

tell the useless pratt to take you to Court... 🌺

Porcupineinwaiting · 24/10/2020 16:43

YANBU! Let the miserable, lazy fucker take you to court for access and contact the child maintenance service and ask for his payments to be reassessed.

Jamiefraserskilt · 24/10/2020 16:45

It's alllllllll about him.....only it's not. It's about you and your DD. It seems that when his mum pushes him or when he is bored, he turns up. Handing her to his mum is not spending time with her.
I'm with you on this one. Either he puts in the groundwork now or he goes to court for regular visitation and mediation.
If his mum wants to see her granddaughter then he needs to step up, pay his way and turn up.

BrightSunshineDay · 24/10/2020 16:46

Honestly I would tell him to fuck off. Arsehole.

MushMonster · 24/10/2020 16:50

He is not a good example of any kind, he can say lots of rubbish right?! What a pearl!
If you can keep him away from your daughter, better. He needs to put the effort to know her or get lostFlowers

DioneTheDiabolist · 24/10/2020 16:52

YANBU OP, you have given him plenty of opportunities to be a dad and he has squandered them. Now you need proof of his commitment. Respond to all further requests with "take me to court" and get on with your life as he doesn't bother his arse to do it.

AdaColeman · 24/10/2020 16:54

Don't agree to any of his requests to see your daughter. If he really wants a relationship with her he can get a court order with an agreed visiting schedule.

Stop facilitating him upsetting the life you and your daughter have.
Don't listen to his mother.

Start now to keep a detailed record of when he contacts you, any threats he makes etc.

Stop feeling guilty!

Lifeisabeach09 · 24/10/2020 16:56

You are mad to facilitate his bullshit.
He is far too inconsistent with visitation and it all seems to be on his terms. An in-and-out father is more damaging than one that is completely absent.
In your position, I'd cease contact.

Wyntersdiary · 24/10/2020 16:58

why are you letting this guy treat your daughter like this? i wouldnt have even gone to his house. He has no rights and i would walk away.

If he wants to see her then he can go to court ( which he wont)
He cant just pick and choose how he parents, hes either there for her and willing to co parent with you or he isnt.

but you need to grow a backbone and Say no , either he does it all properly or he doesnt see her.

As for CSA if he doesnt want you spending it then he needs to help in other ways like buying things she needs

GameSetMatch · 24/10/2020 16:59

You would be a complete idiot to hand your daughter over to this man! Don’t do it, don’t feel guilty and don’t let him control you!

Imagine a four year old going off with a ‘stranger’ For the day and then meeting all his ‘strange’ family. That’s a mental health disaster waiting to happen. That sort of thing at a young age messes people up for life.

You are not denying him involvement, you have come up with a suitable plan, he can choose weather he wants to participate.

He can buy her clothes if he wants I would certainly chase the £6 week, and it may increase (hopefully)

Please don’t feel guilty about her not having a Dad, your giving him the choice which is much more than most.

Keep strong.

Sunnydaysstillhere · 24/10/2020 17:00

Yabu to even converse with him. Tell him to contact you via solicitor only..
Enjoy your dd. She can contact him at 18 should she wish.
Ime my 21yo found her df to be exactly the same as when I dumped him and he dumped dd. A complete waste of space..

CodenameVillanelle · 24/10/2020 17:01

Just say no. Stop trying to facilitate a relationship. She's better off without him so say no unless it's court ordered.

Rafflesway · 24/10/2020 17:08

My blood ran cold reading your OP, @PinkyX!

Please don't fall in with this man's ideas. Your dd is of no importance to him at all! As nearly everyone else has said, let him take you to court.

Mindymomo · 24/10/2020 17:10

No way let him see her on his own, go through Courts to get proper access sorted, which will probably be supervised at first. My husbands father left when he was born and got in contact to say he wanted to see him, he let him down too many times not turning up and although my husband was very young he seems to remember sitting waiting for him to come and visit. He didn’t get another chance after that. See a Solicitor to get your rights sorted out.

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/10/2020 17:11

Pound to a penny that his mother, who I do feel for if she knows she has a grandchild out there, has mentioned DD in front of New Girlfriend and he doesnt want to look like a shit in front of her so is making a song and dance about seeing DD. Then when you say no, as he was banking on you doing, he can say to NG "See I told you I would love to see her but her mother is a bitch/psycho/nightmare/got PG to trap me and wont let me". He looks like a caring but denied Daddy to NG.

Tell him that unless he is willing to go to mediation, he will have to take you to court. You and me and everyone else know that he wont bother.

LucyLeak · 24/10/2020 17:12

The only person you need to answer to is your DD. When she asks questions, you can answer honestly that you never stopped him from seeing her. It's his choice to stay away. Your priority is to ensure her safety and wellbeing. He's refusing to do as you quite sensibly ask. Tell him to fuck off and only come back when he's prepared to do things properly.

I have experience of this as I too was abandoned during pregnancy and told to abort. My DS is 10 and his father never paid a penny for years, also made me do a DNA test via the CSA. He's only recently started paying a decent amount after years of avoidance and the CSA finally catching him because I wouldn't drop the claim. He has met his son once when he was around 3 years old. I have always said he can see him anytime, but he has never took up this offer. When my DS asks any questions I am able to answer honestly.

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/10/2020 17:14

What is his mother like? Do you think that you could let her have limited visits with DD? So a couple of hours a week at your house (not letting her take DD off on her own to "accidentally" bump into the ex) or would she use it as a way to try and get you to let ex have his "in again, out again" access?

I just think that if she is a caring woman it would be nice for her and DD to have a relationship. Obviously not if she is cut from the same cloth as him.

2bazookas · 24/10/2020 17:20

Tell him he needs to pay proper, regular maintenance, and keep to a regular agreed time for contact visits, either at your home or a place agreed by you (a familiar safe place for DD to spend time with someone she hardly knows).

Then keep a private diary of every contact ( date , time and lengtand every payment. Sounds like there won't be many entries.

angstinabaggyjumper · 24/10/2020 17:21

£6 a week for four years must be a sum worth thinking about? I used to work at the CSA and frequently got requests from clients to confirm for the court hearing that they were up to date with their maintenance.
He is very controlling from what your DD wears to what you spend the paltry six quid on.

PinkyX · 24/10/2020 17:22

Thanks everyone I know that I shouldn't let her anywhere near him but sometimes I get riddled with guilt and double guess myself as he says I'm controlling my daughters life by not letting him be apart of it. And its not guilt for him, its the guilt I feel for my daughter. But hearing from an outsiders point of view is really reassuring. Thankyou all x

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ShalomToYouJackie · 24/10/2020 17:24

Don't let him anywhere near her. What a scumbag. You've given him enough chances OP. He'll only leave again and that's not fair on your DD.

MessAllOver · 24/10/2020 17:28

Keep your DD away from this man. He sounds like he is going to cause her nothing but hurt and upset.

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