To actually be really cross with Labour for letting this happen?

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How did they manage to be so bad at the last two elections that places like Mansfied ended up Tory?

I've voted both Labour and Tory over the years. Corbyn was unelectable, he should have stepped aside much sooner.

I’m more inclined to blame those who voted Tory to be honest. The Labour manifesto was costed and explained in detail in an accessible way and people still believed the bullshit spewed by the self interested right wing press. There’s a reason the sun crows that their candidate wins.

It was glaringly obvious to everyone where we’d end up if the Tories won. The vote got split between labour and the libs (who were massively underhanded too) and here we are.

So no, I don’t blame Labour. I didn’t like all of their policies and I can absolutely see why some people disliked Corbyn’s socialist bent but the blame lies elsewhere.

OP, I agree you should be cross/angry. Labour lost the last election as much as the Tories won. The fantasy manifesto with free broadband for example, and in particular the muddled policy over a second referendum, did not help.

I had high hopes for Kier Starner but think the identity politics will drag him down. Plus the issue of anti semitism.

I couldn't vote Labour, partly because momentum were verging on loony left but mostly because Corbyn was so useless. The wretched man wouldn't make a decision.

Much more hopeful of KS although he needs to be a bit more positive and push for specific things.

@GoldfishParade

This happened by focussing too much on identity politics and not enough on the deprivation, poverty and lack of access to education that affects people in Britain of all genders, ethnicities and religions.

For a while now Labour has focused on radical theories rather than radical solutions.

Overhauling the university system to make it so that everyone can go to university without massive debt.

Overhauling the NHS and moving away from the outdated free of charge structure (that worked when we had lower population numbers) and transitioning towards a French-style mutual/social security funded system so that our health system is fluid and better funded, with easier access and better pay for staff.

Rent caps; Berlin-style, in London and SE cities as well as places like Manchester.

Massive tax hikes on second homes and buy to lets.

Clamping down on zero hour contracts and overhauling the apprentice system for well paid apprenticeships into in demand industries for school leavers.

Basically aggressively pushing for policies to level the playing field for all, rather than dicking around clamouring for more immigration and trans rights and Islamophobia etc would have had them undoubtedly win against the tories. I think we are set for another 50 years minimum of tory government. Unless a socialist party that understands the true meaning of socialism emerges, we are fucked for any kind of opposition.

How do i vote for you please??

The majority voted for this.

Except they didn't. The Tories got less than 50% of the vote. Which is why they love FPTP.

I voted Labour last time as I voted tactically, even though I wasn't keen on Corbyn (understatement!). But I was desperate to try to stop the Tories.

The toxic combination of pig-headed party leaders in both Corbyn and Swinson led to this country being doomed to another Tory government. They needed to get their shit together and bloody work together to beat the Tories, but refused to do so.

However, the electorate were the ones who voted for the Tories in enough constituencies to give them the win, despite having seen what they were like. That to me is the most baffling part of the whole thing!

Basically aggressively pushing for policies to level the playing field for all, rather than dicking around clamouring for more immigration and trans rights and Islamophobia etc would have had them undoubtedly win against the tories. I think we are set for another 50 years minimum of tory government. Unless a socialist party that understands the true meaning of socialism emerges, we are fucked for any kind of opposition.

Yep

That to me is the most baffling part of the whole thing!

I either read something or watched something where they were discussing the Clinton vs Trump election. Lots of people just couldn't stand her or trust her so Trump was the lesser of two evils.

The Labour party were a weak opposition admittedly, but the fact of the matter is this was a Brexit election. People lent good old Boris their vote to 'get Brexit done'!
In turn, they voted for the party which has made them poorer year upon year. I imagine quite a few voters will be feeling pretty sick at their choice now.

The blame lies squarely with voters I think.
And guess what? They will still vote the Tories in at the next election and STILL blame labour?
Why ? As most are scared of socialism and equate money with hard work when many people work very hard but don't make much money.

This is entirely the voter’s fault.

Like @NoWordForFluffy I voted tactically in the last election, for the first time I voted Labour. Anything to try and stop this shitshambles, which I feel was going to happen somehow (clearly I didn’t expect a pandemic).
I was cross about Brexit, livid about the last election and now very scared at the state of things that I am sending DS and the children I teach into. I keep telling them all that they have the chance to make humanity and the world better. I hope they are listening.

I had previously voted Tory and did vote for Brexit unfortunately. No point going into why I voted the way I did then. I had assumed though that David Cameron would have tried to achieve a "sensible" Brexit rather than buggering off and I didn't expect the shit show we had since.

Some time after Brexit I realised what a mistake it all was and my politics changed completely moving alot more to the left. I wrote to various politicians asking for a second referendum. I couldn't vote Labour with Corbyn in because I didn't trust whether he was actually pro Brexit or not. So I voted LibDems in the last election hoping that there may have been a break away from the two party politics but we all know how that went!

We need a mumsnet government party.

Everyone on mumsnet joins together and makes our own political party.

We rule this new roost! Do things our way as we think of the future unlike anyone else because most of us are parents, sisters or aunties.

Men think with their dicks rule with their balls and bully the woman in power to their line of thinking.

We need to step up and make our own party.

It’s the making of its own thread but I’ll hand it to anyone whose more eloquent than me.

The people who let it happen are the people who voted Tory. I wasn't 100% happy with Labour at the last election but nothing would have driven me to vote Tory. Nothing. Don't blame Labour for the numpties who voted Tory because Labour wasn't their 100% perfect vision of a political party. It's on them.

The Tories are essentially in power indefinitely now. If you don't vote Labour, it just helps the Tories.

even though it was plain to all that no one would stand behind a hateful communist, the pure averis of the man astonishes me.

“Hateful communist”? What a load of shite. I presume you mean avarice, although how you think that links to a man who was elected as leader not once but twice just doing his job, I have no idea.

Some people on this thread have very short memories.

Corbyn being “unelectable” was a self-fulfilling prophecy, headed up by a right wing press, and the fact that you fell for it suggests the blame lies with you and those like you. Ridiculous.

The high handed tactic of parachuting a non-resident (normally from London) into a 'safe' seat, taking for granted the support of Labour voters and not developing local talent has backfired a few times.

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18034361.anger-labours-warrington-north-parachute-candidate/

Creating resentment amongst the core voters won't end well, let alone attract the wavering/undecided.

Agreed, Corbyn was unelectable. I voted tory as could not stand Corbyn.

Corbyn's labour completely lost touch with what is actually important to working class voters in this country.
I can only hope Starmer will do better.

Unless a socialist party that understands the true meaning of socialism emerges, we are fucked for any kind of opposition.

You must be kidding. You think an outright socialist party could ever win in this country as things stand? It’s delusional.

What we have now is what people voted for. The idea that this is Labour’s fault is laugh out loud ridiculous. Nobody forced anyone to vote Tory.

I think Corbyn was unelectable. Now, that may have been in part because of the press but once it became clear that was the case, he should have stepped aside or the party should have made him.

DH is exArmy and from a very "Labour" background. There's no way he could have voted for Corbyn because of the IRA link. I understand all the arguments about why that shouldn't have been an issue, but it was, a big one and it wasn't going away.

mrspeacock. Don't say that.

Labour has to accept that the British public is essentially moderate and Momentum or the like will never change that.

But offer me a Labour party that boots out all the anti-Semites, stops sneering at northerners, and is genuinely inclusive and honest, and people will be back in their droves.

Labour knew Corbyn was not popular with the general public but refused to accept their view. If you want the support of the majority, you have to listen to the majority.

I don't blame labour. I think labour are unelectable and it isn't because of Ed Milliband, or Jeremy Corbyn or Kier Starmmer. I think they have formidable opponents who discredit and undermine them via right wing press, TV and social media.