To think that Mark Drakeford is a power mad dictator?

[LittleLapwing]

Half the shops covered in plastic. Can’t buy clothes, duvets, books, DVDs, tins but not tin openers.
All the Halloween and bonfire night stuff that’s just been stocked is behind a cordon. Presumably now destined for landfill.

Autumn half term after a shitty year and I can’t even do a few seasonal treats for the kids.

AIBU to think that Mark Drakeford is a power mad dictator, and that his ridiculous game of Covid oneupmanship with Nicola and Boris needs to stop!?

@littlbrowndog

he makes Nicola look restrained

Tha5 is not a good look tbh

Agree

Mark and Nicola make Johnson and co. look like the utter cockwombles they are. Some English people really can't stand it that we can go our own way (and make our own mistakes, as all governments do).

Mark Drakeford made an ill thought out decision about duvets and he's been treated as though he's Hitler, Stalin and a demon from hell, all rolled into one.

Mark and Nicola make Johnson and co. look like the utter cockwombles they are. Some English people really can't stand it that we can go our own way (and make our own mistakes, as all governments do)

He didn't "make a mistake", he made a cruel and senseless decision. No worries for him though as he'll expect Westminster to bail him out when the Welsh economy tanks.

@ClarenceBoddicker

Haven’t read the lot but supermarkets absolutely shouldn’t be handed the whole market on a plate when other businesses (clothes shops, electronics etc) are forced to closed. I can understand if they complain about designated ‘essemtial’ stores selling items these non essential businesses aren’t allowed to be open to sell. But the whole thing is very unworkable and Amazon will be the main beneficiary as mentioned by almost everyone. It’s almost like a direct donation from the Welsh Parliament to Amazon and they’re hardly skint or need the subsidy

Exactly. This is not an inherently anti-lockdown/circuit break argument either.

It would be one thing if they'd just decided fuck it, not going to take the issue of small shops v supermarkets into consideration, the virus is more important. But it seems absolutely bizarre for it to be a factor in the decision making process, and to actively decide on a course of action that will hand a large chunk of business to Amazon.

He didn't "make a mistake", he made a cruel and senseless decision. No worries for him though as he'll expect Westminster to bail him out when the Welsh economy tanks

The Welsh people and the Wesh economy contribute to the UK coffers you know. You know, those coffers which are currently (and rightly) helping out the English regions which are going into tier three.

Welsh economy!

@bibbitybobbitycatz

He didn't "make a mistake", he made a cruel and senseless decision. No worries for him though as he'll expect Westminster to bail him out when the Welsh economy tanks

The Welsh people and the Wesh economy contribute to the UK coffers you know. You know, those coffers which are currently (and rightly) helping out the English regions which are going into tier three.

There'll be barely a Welsh economy to speak of it he keeps making stupid decisions like this. And realistically what kind of effect will this have on tourism when this is all over? Will people think twice about visiting Wales when it is presented like this?

@Noideawottodo

Mark and Nicola make Johnson and co. look like the utter cockwombles they are. Some English people really can't stand it that we can go our own way (and make our own mistakes, as all governments do)

He didn't "make a mistake", he made a cruel and senseless decision. No worries for him though as he'll expect Westminster to bail him out when the Welsh economy tanks.

Stopping duvet sales for 2 weeks is being held up as cruel and senseless against the same Westminster who stopped feeding vulnerable schoolkids? At least we still let people eat.

Mark Dripfeed is a lunatic. He has royally fucked up and should be removed from his position.

If the country wants to do a lock ffs, then do it properly. These ‘half measures’ of business closed, but school open is pointless. May as well have saved the economy and let everyone get on with it. Instead he’s destroying business for absolutely no reason.

Seeing the supermarket photos in Wales is shocking. It’s authoritarian and I’m glad to see Welsh people voicing that they’ve had enough.

Open the gyms as well...people need to be in good health to take on this virus. I’ve lost three stone since August going to the gym, in order to stand a better chance if I get sick.

Stopping duvet sales for 2 weeks is being held up as cruel and senseless against the same Westminster who stopped feeding vulnerable schoolkids? At least we still let people eat.

Weird because nobody has said they agree with that decision. I think it's disgusting and I think Boris Johnson and his mates are horrible little arseholes as well. Just because he's done something bad doesn't negate the bad thing dickford has done.

They are all arseholes. Every single last one of them.

I hate the phrase race to the bottom, but it's not is it. Just because of what Westminster are doing, doesn't mean people should just accept ridiculous decisions such as this. Where does it end? Oh it's alright because they are worse, so nevermind . I don't think many, if any have said he is worse than the others?

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Stopping duvet sales for 2 weeks is being held up as cruel and senseless against the same Westminster who stopped feeding vulnerable schoolkids? At least we still let people eat.

Weird because nobody has said they agree with that decision. I think it's disgusting and I think Boris Johnson and his mates are horrible little arseholes as well. Just because he's done something bad doesn't negate the bad thing dickford has done.

They are all arseholes. Every single last one of them.

Then why isn't this thread or another one titled " they've ALL become power mad dictators" or similar? Why are numerous posts on here talking about how the Welsh want to 'escape to England'? Fair enough of you want to criticise his decision, I can disagree but it's a fair opinion but all through the thread Drakeford is being held up as some unusual dictator and the Welsh people too stupid or imprisoned to do anything about it.

The thread is about drake Ford because it related to the current news on the day it started. Plenty of threads about decisions taken by the tory government on the day that they unfolded.

Then why isn't this thread or another one titled " they've ALL become power mad dictators" or similar?

Because this is a thread about these specific restrictions which are only happening in Wales. There any many threads re fsm etc.

Why are numerous posts on here talking about how the Welsh want to 'escape to England'?
What? Maybe they do? I dunno!

Fair enough of you want to criticise his decision, I can disagree but it's a fair opinion but all through the thread Drakeford is being held up as some unusual dictator and the Welsh people too stupid or imprisoned to do anything about it

I don't think anyone thinks Welsh people are too stupid or imprisoned to do anything about it. Nobody has said that! He is acting like a dictator though.

Then why isn't this thread or another one titled " they've ALL become power mad dictators" or similar?

Because it’s about a thing that MD did in Wales that’s ONLY happening in Wales and ONLY because he fancied it, and as a resident of Wales it affects me. Is that ok with you?

It was the last straw for me.

...and the Welsh people too stupid or imprisoned to do anything about it

Well we ain’t stoopid, but imprisoned is about right at the moment.

Did you miss that police are patrolling the border? I know people who’ve been stopped.

This thread keeps going! There are petitions for them to reconsider the "non-essentias" bit.
As far as I experience around me (which is very limited of course, because you cannot see anyone), there is not major opposition to the breaker. It is not that different from the first stage of easing of the first lockdown. And it is not a huge change from the local lockdowns we had in all the south and north areas to be honest. I think it is quite breable indeed. But the idea that someone may find themselves unable to buy children clothes, that is the "crossing the line part".
I think they will get signatures enough to make them re-consider.

I pretty much agree with @callcat. He's royally fucked up on this bad I hope he changes his mind. Deeming books as non essential probably does give cause to people likening him to a dictator though.

Day two of lockdown and it's still fucking hammering down, and forecast to do so for the next 7 days at least. Bloody brilliant.

Bearable! I am positive I had written that!

@LittleLapwing

Then why isn't this thread or another one titled " they've ALL become power mad dictators" or similar?

Because it’s about a thing that MD did in Wales that’s ONLY happening in Wales and ONLY because he fancied it, and as a resident of Wales it affects me. Is that ok with you?

It was the last straw for me.

I'm a resident of Wales too, I know it's a small country but there's a few of us here.

Ok, fine, the Tories who still wield a lot of power on decisions here as well as in England can do awful stuff like stop feeding kids and they're just 'jumped up' but Drakeford is the actual dictator for stopping non essentials for a little bit, ok, go with that then. I give up, if you can't get into hospital because it's full of covid patients that's unacceptable then when you can't buy a kettle for a bit as part of a plan to help (misguided or not) that's unacceptable, I'd love to know what IS acceptable then!

Oh Cardi, please don’t accuse me of talking shit just because you have a different viewpoint.

I was in Tesco yesterday and I saw huge numbers of people stocking up on booze because they saw the barricades being put in place and were unsure what would constitute ‘non-essential’. The communication had been almost non-existent and confusing by that stage.

And yes, I comply totally with the restrictions and did throughout our extended summer lockdown here in Wales. However, it does feel like being under an out of touch leadership who now thankfully seem to be rethinking their position.

@LittleLapwing

...and the Welsh people too stupid or imprisoned to do anything about it

Well we ain’t stoopid, but imprisoned is about right at the moment.

Did you miss that police are patrolling the border? I know people who’ve been stopped.

Presumably if they were on their way to work/medical appt etc they were waved on their way? If not then they should be stopped as they didn't need to be crossing borders. It was originally left to people's common sense and look where that's got us, some people should be ashamed that police have to be out reminding them what to do.

There’s a good chance most people will not need any of the things deemed non-essential for two weeks - but that isn’t the point. It sets a very dangerous precedent of control over the population to have this kind of thing in place.

I’m in England but have signed the petition because if one nation can get away with that level of control there’s a good chance it’ll creep into other areas too. Small businesses need protection and governments need to find a way of doing so without restricting the general public buying what they need in shops that are able to open and already have those products available. People don’t really linger in supermarkets, they will grab what they need and keep going.

This kind of thing scares me far more than the virus.

No human been is perfect. We all do good things and not so good things. And in a pandemic, well they will make many mistakes. This is not their standard arena. They have to balance so many things... it is understandable they make mistakes.
Sometimes they will be acceptable and reasonable measures, and in other occassions it will be up to the population to say "this bit is a notch too far". I am talking about the non-essentials. I think they did not think of their vulnerable citizens there.
They have been using restrictions at earlier points in the spread of the virus than England, but apparently that is because we do have less hospital capacity here. So it is sensible if that is the case. The numbers of infection are not coming down with local lockdowns in our area either.

Of course, it wasn’t yesterday I was in Tesco, it was Friday. Days all roll into one when you don’t leave the house... 😊