This MP should be sacked

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Disgusting comments. He should be sacked.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

What different outcomes actually exist though?

Well Marcus Rashford tweeter Ben Bradley to say: “Ben, the economy already pays a high price for child hunger. If children were fed properly you would increase educational attainment and boost life chances.”

I’m not now convinced of the simple equation of education = life chances and lifts out of poverty. There are too many blockers in the actual job market.

Well Marcus Rashford tweeter Ben Bradley to say:
“Ben, the economy already pays a high price for child hunger. If children were fed properly you would increase educational attainment and boost life chances.”

the point seems to be that feeding children properly is at least some responsibility of parents, and some parents will feed their children well on a modest amount of money and others won't, on more money.

As I understand it the proposal is not actually 'children being directly fed', which is what happens at school with FSM, but vouchers, which won't guarantee that children are fed any more or better.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

I’m not now convinced of the simple equation of education = life chances and lifts out of poverty. There are too many blockers in the actual job market.

Oh well, might as well let the kids go hungry then, seeing as there aren’t going to be jobs for them in 20 years time anyway 🤷‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

The fall out from this will go on for years. Contracts awarded without proper procedure linking to personal interests across government. Misuse of public money and a failing of strategy due to unpreparedness. The waste could support children in need many times over.

He's a detestable individual.

@Northernparent68

That’s not what he said.

That’s exactly what he said, it’s down there in black and white for all to see

@Mummyoflittledragon

Sobeyond I get what you’re saying. It’s just people cannot believe the lack of humanity each and every time.

The lack of humanity doesn’t surprise me as I have high levels of cynicism. I started this thread because it needed exposing, It’s disgusting that a person in also called public service has these attitudes.

The meals issue is only one of many. But it’s becoming representative of the ideals of the government. Socialism as a whole isn’t ideal but when it comes down to key values and priorities where would we rather be?

Every time I try to make this point on a thread it gets swept away under ‘hungry kids’, ‘starving kids’, sad faces and highly emotive language.

Sometimes, well meaning schemes can actually be anything but.

To look at this less emotively than ‘evil tories’, the conservative view of the world tends towards a small state, minimal interference. That’s not quite where I am. But I do believe that for the most part people have the right to raise their children as they see fit.

Now sometimes that inevitably means a parent might do something that some of you deem ‘wrong’: they might teach their child about a religion you don’t believe in or they might be stricter than you or more liberal than you. But families are what society is structured on and too much interference isn’t good.

I have spent years teaching in an area that is generally considered to be ‘deprived.’ I know there’s not a lot of money and I know a lot of the children come from families who will have really struggled over lockdown, it’s a tourist area. Looking down my Y8 class register I can see 6 kids who aren’t PP.

Their parents still really love their kids.

So they might eat what some MNetters would deem a ‘poor diet.’ Probably too much fat and sugar and not enough complex carbs and fresh veg.

IMO it isn’t the FSM vouchers that are needed. The biggie is debt tbh. Christmas comes, because these parents are automatically neglectful because you know ... benefits, must be, or something ... are desperate for their kids to have a good Christmas and they will overspend. And get into debt to fund this. Local high street is sinking under the weight of pawn shops, gambling dens, those short term loan places.

IME a parent who ‘won’t provide meals for their child’ (which incidentally is rather more respectful than ‘feed their kid’) is a rare breed and TBH if a child is starving, as in, there was no dinner last night and no breakfast the following morning, some sort of intervention is needed. But it’s unusual.

Mostly parents will do anything to avoid their kid missing out, they’ll go hungry themselves or get into debt.

Whatever some of you want to think, these aren’t Victorian times. We are in the 21st century and we have a 21st century set of problems and sue me but I agree with BB. I think the hysteria over these vouchers utterly misses the point and the money would be better spent elsewhere.

I'm now wondering how much of MPs wages and expenses are effectively direct payments to brothels and drug dealers . . .

Oh, he gets worse

Thinking about this a bit more, they are making themselves look even more terrible with this argument. If we are at the stage where they assume that if you issue a parent with a food voucher the parents will be too stoned to get any food with it, the state of things are fucking terrible. Kids shouldn't be living in these conditions in the first place. He has just highlighted that this government is spectacularly failing to fix these social issues and keep kids safe.

Stating the parents will spend the money on drugs is an absolute cop out. And so what if UC has increased, we have something called inflation and food has risen in price more steeply this year making this a moot point.

Naga didn’t grill him enough. Pity the feed went. Maybe someone his end pulled the mike out.

The Tories are in power indefinitely, so we might as well get used to this.

Why are people defending him and saying his remarks have been taken out of context when the tweets are there for all to see and are awful? He may have a point that the most needy won't benefit but that's irrelevant as he doesn't seem to be doing anything whatsoever about that and the way he describes the situation some people are in is just horrible.

Then the arrogant way he address the school tweet is disgusting - they haven't said anything partisan and why does he think he can say what he likes about them and they have no right of reply?

However, I work in the constituency next to his and that turned Tory in 2019 and I do think there will be a lot of people agreeing with his views, sadly. It's the age-old trick of turning people against each other so they ignore the people who are actually the cause of their hardship.

He also come across as, well, not very bright - I remember him being torn apart by Krishnan Guru-Murthy over his inconsistent Brexit voting and that was funny!

@SchadenfreudePersonified

I'm now wondering how much of MPs wages and expenses are effectively direct payments to brothels and drug dealers . . .

🤣 I expect it's quite a lot. Don't we currently have an MP contestant on Strictly who used expenses for porn pay per view?

I'm now wondering how much of MPs wages and expenses are effectively direct payments to brothels and drug dealers

I'm sure most of the expenses are on perfectly legitimate things like 'IT lessons'. In the provider's flat. With the curtains shut for two hours in the middle of the afternoon. At thousands of pounds a session. When the 'tutor' doesn't have any relevant qualifications.

Don't we all need to tuck our shirts in after a really vigorous IT lesson?

He's my MP. He is an absolute scumbag. He brags about being the "first blue brick in the red wall" and he thinks he's shit hot.

I also know him personally as I used to live near him. He's a ruthless careerist who doesn't give a shit about his constituency - he actually moved away from it once he'd got a bit of cash.
His most recent campaign has been to raise the plight of "white working class boys" and he loves criticising teachers. We've butted heads on a few occasions.

I am so pleased he's dragged himself into this spiral so everyone can see what he's like.

I honestly never though Mansfield would go tory, but I'm hoping they've now all had the scales removed from their eyes!!

@toomanypillows

He's my MP. He is an absolute scumbag. He brags about being the "first blue brick in the red wall" and he thinks he's shit hot.

I also know him personally as I used to live near him. He's a ruthless careerist who doesn't give a shit about his constituency - he actually moved away from it once he'd got a bit of cash.
His most recent campaign has been to raise the plight of "white working class boys" and he loves criticising teachers. We've butted heads on a few occasions.

I am so pleased he's dragged himself into this spiral so everyone can see what he's like.

I honestly never though Mansfield would go tory, but I'm hoping they've now all had the scales removed from their eyes!!

Problem is, some parents will agree with him.

If you know you are literate, aren’t on drugs and certainly don’t work in a brothel, chances are you will be providing meals for your children.

So you will see a tweet like that, you won’t think how terrible, I will never vote tory, you will think the opposite.

I have known parents refuse FSM because of the stigma in the past.

Stating what the facts are when someone lies about you is not descending into political debate. It’s not being partial. We have to be very clear about this because otherwise we’ll have a situation where an increasingly unpleasant political sphere can lie about public institutions (schools, doctors, the bbc) with impunity and no pushback

@Punkpumpkin

However this is rather too political from a school - though I imagine they’re seeing the direct effects of this government’s policies and feeling desperately anxious about what some of their children are facing while they’re not in school.

Let's not get dude tracked from the real issue, though I take your point. It shows how bad things are in schools.

Auto correct needs sacking too....SIDE tracked ffs.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes this is thing i bet half commenting on here have never lived in such areas where they see what goes on
The vast majority on benefits do feed their kids , many of my sons friends are on fsm and they give it away at lunchtime as they don't like it but their parents send them in with food , lets also not forget some will be struggling who do not qualify for fsm but the vast majority will still feed their kids above everything else
We need to tackle why some kids are't being fed and it won't all be about lack of money
If we were to provide fsm in holidays this should be in form of a hamper that child takes home not vouchers that way we know there is at least some food in the house and if your in need it would be welcomed

Oh Ben Bradley has got lots of form. He libelled Corbyn and was forced to publicly apologise. He has suggested that the unemployed should be sterilised after calling them a "sea of wasters". He is public and proud about refusing to undertake unconscious bias training. He is even denying he ever suggested that meal vouchers were supporting crack dens and brothels, even when tweets that show he did exactly that are out there.

The fact that the man is attacking the charitable work of Marcus Rashford is all you really need to know about him.

He is the blueprint for Tory "blue wall" MPs, odious little pricks who know nothing and have no actual experience. We have one in my area too. The only good thing is that these guys are too naïve to hide their true views properly like the grand masters in the cabinet. Ben Bradley is what the Tory party really thinks. The fact that their Tory forebears deindustrialised the North and Midlands thus creating the social problems they refuse to help change is totally lost on them.

Sadly we've got over 4 years left of this shower, plenty of time for them to inflict lots more damage on the North and Midlands.

@rainyoutside i don't think
Stigma is there so much now as no one actually knows
Especially in secondary well ours anyway as money is added to account and in primary they just go in for meal
When i was at school you used to que in two lines one paying and one fsm in secondary in primary again noone would know as those who paid sent dinner money in at the beginning of week