To think cross-dressers are NOT on the trans spectrum?

[TheLobster]

Just that really, went to a stand up gig and this comedian was wearing a dress and said he is a cross dresser and is on the trans spectrum.

First of, I don't even know what a "trans spectrum" is supposed to be, I mean either you're trans or you're not, right?

And also, in my opinion cross-dressers are the exact opposite of trans people as they are aware that wearing gendered clothes and make-up does not make them the opposite sex. Am I wrong?

Yup, Stonewall say cross dressers are trans (see attached)

I assumed they belonged there somewhere because 'trans' vestite

Not only does Stonewall disagree with you (and it's the major charity - alongside Mermaids, campaigning for trans identified people), but the way this works, you don't get to define anybody else - unless you're labelling them c*s.

So you've stumbled across part of the main problem here: being trans isn't about "just" having gender dysphoria, it's also about men who get their sexual kicks from donning stereotypical women's clothes. And nobody is allowed to separate the two, or they're call transphobic, a bigot or, if a woman, a four letter slur.

Depends how you define "cross dresser".

Trans is an umbrella term which covers various forms of gender identity and expression.

As you must know, you aren’t a better judge of someone else’s gender identity than they are themselves, so for that YABU.

But why is it for Stonewall to corral all these disparate groups under their trans umbrella? Many intersex people in particular have said they resent being lumped in without being consulted, as well they might.

"Nothing about us without us" needn't just apply to women; it's a good stance for any group to adopt.

And of course it's not for women to say who is in under the trans umbrella, either. Everyone has a voice. I hope to hear interest groups telling Stonewall whether they're in or out, not meekly being told.

Yup, cross dressers, gender dysphoria, A** (just mentioning that on mumsnet gets you a slap on the wrist), drag queens, non-binary people, all covered under the wonderful raunbow umbrella that is Trans, as far as Stonewall is concerned.

No, stonewall says trans people may describe themselves as cross dressers. Thats different to cross dressers = trans

Not to mention anybody who says they are. Acceptance without exception.

I think people are deliberately misinterpreting the stonewall definition. It quite clearly says that a trans person is someone who's gender doesn't align with their birth sex, and that they might refer to themselves as a crossdresser. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who refers to themselves as a crossdresser doesn't identify with their birth sex.

Also, you could equally say 'you're either autistic or you're not.' That doesn't mean autism isn't a spectrum. So yes, you're either trans or you're not, but there is a spectrum of different identities under the trans umbrella.

The thing is OP, we now live in a world where if someone says they are something, then they are it. And we just have to be kind and accept it. It doesn’t matter if it is confusing or makes no actual, logical sense, peoples feelings are more important than reality. Don’t try and understand it. Just nod and smile. And back away slowly.

YANBU. Marsha P Johnson, a gay man and drag queen who was integral to the gay rights movement has been recast as a trans woman without his consent. It's a mess.

I dare you to go on twitter and say that OP. A trans person is trans if they say they are, and woe betide you if you disagree. One doesn’t even have to cross dress to be trans, the only qualification is I am because I say I am.

Why can’t it be a spectrum, there are various different kinds of transperson. You’re either autistic or you’re not, but it’s still a spectrum.
Also how can you decide by him saying he cross dressers and knowing NOTHING else about him decide he isn’t trans? And why do you care?

According to Stonewall they are “under the trans umbrella”.

The whole thing has become a meaningless charade- far removed from what most of Joe Public think it means (eg transsexuals)- something that is being exploited by a lobby that wants to use this as cover to erode the rights of women and girls.

Yup, Stonewall say cross dressers are trans (see attached)

In fairness, according to Stonewall unless you have a Gender Identity which matches to the stereotypes associated with your sex then you are trans.

I dropped my Gender Identity and now it rattles and won't switch on. Don't make the mistake of getting the cheap ones from Curry's or you'll end up trans like me.

I think it doesn't matter and we should let people define themselves as they want.

I think it doesn't matter and we should let people define themselves as they want

That's how you end up with heterosexual people appropriating LGB stuff.

Also how can you decide by him saying he cross dressers and knowing NOTHING else about him decide he isn’t trans? And why do you care?

Because if he's cross dressing and is trans then he's not actually cross dressing, is he?!

Logic ffs.