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So angry & bitter

66 replies

Brunchickle · 16/10/2020 19:00

Work-related. Went for a promotion for a senior position in my field after taking on a newly created post. Worked really hard to establish the role, put in place operational practice, essentially crafted the job, created the blueprint. Was asked lots of searching questions at interview, how would you do this etc etc........only to be rudely informed via a curt phone call a few days later that I was unsuccessful. I say rude, because the person who interviewed me even went as far as to call me out on some of the work I’d done; “........you secured a lot of money, as you say you did.” Then added that she wasn’t sure I’d even done the work myself!!! Or whether other partners had done it!! How fucking rude!!!

Anyway, job was given to someone who knew nothing about the field or the role; & that person then came to me tapping me for knowledge. I am so, so pissed off. This person later tried to soften the blow by calling me “an expert in the field,” and she also told me she knew I delivered in operational terms. This happened a few years back, and whilst some might say suck it up & get over it, essentially it’s fucked my career. I’ve been kept at a low level in a subsidiary post whilst others, who started after me & have no experience whatsoever in the field are seemingly promoted by said person with alarming regularity.

I am so hurt by this experience. I don’t understand why this has happened, and what more I could have done. AIBU to feel like this? And what do I do from here? She’s effectively slammed the door in my face. I am gutted. She managed to drain me of all my ideas for good practice as well, & then used this knowledge to roll the job out on a wider scale.

My confidence has been shattered & I’m so, so angry, at her, & myself, as I believe I’ve been used & wrung our to dry.

OP posts:
Lindy2 · 16/10/2020 20:14

Look for a job in that field elsewhere.

Don't help the person who got the role you wanted. They'll have to work it out for themselves. If anyone queries you not helping say that it is no longer your responsibility.

IncandescentSilver · 16/10/2020 20:15

She's jealous of you for some reason, and is deliberately holding you back. Bad management not to promote talent. You need to leave that company and move to another job, you are wasting your time there.

Just noticed you said you have children. Is the person who got the job you applied for child-free by any chance...?

JamminDoughnuts · 16/10/2020 20:16

sometimes they want people they can Mould op.
you were entitled to the role but perhaps they are were afraid of your ability?

leave,
there is no real reason to stay

kursaalflyer · 16/10/2020 20:17

Are you getting appraisals every year? And if so, what happens in them? Do you say what your aims are etc. It seems a long time to carry a grudge albeit understandable but there's no point in us saying you should have left at that point because you didn't. Are you sure you need to stay there because of your circumstances or is this because you convince yourself it's true. What does your partner think?

kursaalflyer · 16/10/2020 20:18

Apologies for sounding like the questionmaster...

AnnaMagnani · 16/10/2020 20:18

I was, and am, kinda trapped with this organisation as I have very young children at present

More than likely they knew this and thought you wouldn't leave and would carry on, doing all the donkey work.

Start setting your plan up of how you are getting out.

Lazysundayafternoons · 16/10/2020 20:20

Agree with PP, you need to move elsewhere.

If you cant do it now, start making a plan to move in a couple of years when your youngest is a bit older.

I've been in your position, in a job where you give everything but will never get any higher. I stayed til my ds was 3, then took a chance and took a job further away from home as I wanted the chance to progress.
Immediately, in the new job it was completely different and I was promoted in 2 years even though I had a new baby in that time, and still have further opportunity to progress now.

EarringsandLipstick · 16/10/2020 20:20

@ClaireP20

What did i do wrong. Who knows. There must be a reason though. You know as well as I do that minds are made up before the interview...if it is internal.

I can't say this never happens but I don't accept it as a general rule.

Did you ask for feedback? If it was any kind of decent organisation, it should be provided.

Then you evaluate it & see if it rings true & what you can do to improve for the next time.

If you truly believe that minds are made up in advance, then that will shine through and be the reason that you don't get it.

The crap about 'think like a man' is infuriating. No. Think like yourself. Sometimes you won't get a role because you are not what they are looking for at that time.

It's not a bloody conspiracy.

looseddaughter · 16/10/2020 20:20

@WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC

Its a hard one op. I will answer on two levels:
  1. Folk aren't promoted because they are good at their jobs. They're promoted for political reasons. Always.

For example, people who care about people and have good people skills may be passed over for promotion because the bosses want someone who will cull, gut and cut without any regard for the human beings involved; people who are very competent are often left to languish in junior roles and used to prop up senior staff who are more fun to drink with. It happens all the time. The way to address this is to move jobs and start afresh politically.

  1. Its a job. It isnt your identity. Do you have other sources of self worth? Think about this carefully.
I agree with this - it sucks but I'm in the public sector and it's been my experience without a doubt.

I've been in your position OP and it really hurts. I was told the person promoted into the post I went for had 'more detailed ideas' than me. He became my line manager and implemented all my ideas (well, got me to implement them) and none of his own.

He then retired on ill health and I finally got the role. Although I love it I'm finding similar barriers to my next steps and am looking to leave - should have done it years ago. Leave OP - they don't deserve you.

Closetbeanmuncher · 16/10/2020 20:20

I think @AnnaMagnani has nailed it.

SpringFan · 16/10/2020 20:25

I worked with a colleague who was very good at her job. Had some awards for her expertise, but she didn't get a couple of promotions. Boss was quite open that she would be hard to replace. One of the sucessful candidates was dire when he started the job ( and still is), and she spent a lot of time supporting him.
Is that what happened to you? You are too useful in your current role? Or have you given the impression that you aren't really interested in progressing?
She ended up moving on, and it seems the obvious answer is to find another role elsewhere, but if the option is unavailable it is time to make noises about career development.

Plmoknijb123 · 16/10/2020 20:29

I honestly think you should leave or else your resentment will eat away at you and affect your self esteem, which will creep into other areas of your life. Just leave.

Shxx · 16/10/2020 20:30

happened to me twice, I know your pain however being angry and bitter won't change it, I would look for somewhere else

Rapunzathepenguin · 16/10/2020 20:42

Over the years I've had to train various people who then went on to do my job at a higher grade...one of the many reasons I changed job/organisation when I could. I also used to be very resentful about the fact, but it meant I had a much more varied and interesting career than if I'd stayed in one place, and gave me skills that have been invaluable in the last couple of years, when health meant I had to go freelance.

Is there no way you can look for a job somewhere else, where you'll be starting with a clean slate? Otherwise this will poison your whole life, and no job is worth that.

MsKeats · 16/10/2020 20:53

Move.
It's your only option.

In my case I am outstanding at my job -I know it. Yet doubted myself as I have been abused in several work places.
I applied to a job -in I know- a lovely working environment 3 weeks ago and after 6 interviews I was successful, the most challenging series of interviews I have ever done. No one who works there has a bad word to say about it. I'm hoping it will change my life. But I moved from a shitty work place -to one better and then with an excellent reference behind me from my current boss - I'm leaving.

Chewbecca · 16/10/2020 21:05

You need to find out why you are not getting the roles by asking for open and honest feedback. And you need to listen to the feedback and take it on board, not just jump to a defence.

I know people who are fab at their jobs but won’t be promoted into more senior roles, some lack people skills, some lack vision, there is usually a reason. Being great at your current job is not the same thing as being ready for promotion / a new position.

Mustbe3ormorecharacters · 16/10/2020 21:17

Do anything you can to work somewhere which will reward you.

seayork2020 · 16/10/2020 21:26

I get disappointed but I would that for maybe a couple of weeks at most, a few years yes I will admit I would have moved on.

Maybe the way you are reacting towards this came across to them through other ways and that is why you didn't get it?

AlbaAlba · 16/10/2020 21:38

This is hard. Assuming from what you've said you are competent and capable, what is your emotional intelligence like? Sometimes this can be the problem.

As others have said, though, I recommend that if you decide to stay at the organisation, you need to get over the obvious bitterness as it will be spilling over and affecting your reputation. A colleague of mine was passed over for promotion last year, and his reaction and behaviour since has made everyone think it was very much the right decision. He's bitter and it poisons all his interactions. A shame because he's a decent bloke really. It would be better to move elsewhere, but understand that with DC it is difficult.

I also agree with a PP that it's really important to distinguish between 'we' and 'I' when responding in interviews/applications. It's a common issue in recruiting and means they can't assess you properly against their criteria. Not sure why they don't ask for clarification at the time, mind.

AnnaMagnani · 16/10/2020 21:41

I would say I thought I was trapped in a job where I was treated badly. I loved that job and it became my identity.

Eventually things came to a head and I was managed out. I had no job and I had to find a new one.

Turned out I could manage elsewhere after rejigging my life a bit - not something I would ever had done through choice but actually works way better than what I was doing before, more money and nice people.

Also, my job is not my identity anymore. Never going back to that way of life.

ClaireP20 · 16/10/2020 21:44

@JamminDoughnuts

sometimes they want people they can Mould op. you were entitled to the role but perhaps they are were afraid of your ability?

leave,
there is no real reason to stay

Excellent point
Auto · 16/10/2020 21:50

She's jealous of you for some reason, and is deliberately holding you back.

I completely agree. OP, try to leave and find something else if you can. Meanwhile don't take it personally, it is about them not you. With more supportive and genuine colleagues you will probably do really well.

ClaireP20 · 16/10/2020 21:50

[quote EarringsandLipstick]@ClaireP20

What did i do wrong. Who knows. There must be a reason though. You know as well as I do that minds are made up before the interview...if it is internal.

I can't say this never happens but I don't accept it as a general rule.

Did you ask for feedback? If it was any kind of decent organisation, it should be provided.

Then you evaluate it & see if it rings true & what you can do to improve for the next time.

If you truly believe that minds are made up in advance, then that will shine through and be the reason that you don't get it.

The crap about 'think like a man' is infuriating. No. Think like yourself. Sometimes you won't get a role because you are not what they are looking for at that time.

It's not a bloody conspiracy. [/quote]
You are right, I am probably just jaded...it was some years ago now. I have just finished reading Karen Brady's autobiography, which is where the think like a man thing come from.

EatPrayYoga · 16/10/2020 21:50

Sometimes you just don't fit in within an organisation or you don't fit their ethos and culture. I know people where I work who are good at their jobs but they will never be promoted because they have traits that are not valued and or are missing traits that are valued or they don't follow simple rules that the business values. These people (I can think of three where I work) don't realise this and if asked would make excuses as to why things aren't working. Like I say they're not bad at their jobs, they just don't work the way management want them to. Individually they're all very bright.

BlazeMonsterMachine · 16/10/2020 21:57

It sounds like the experience has really effected you.

Do some Internet searches for "Moral Injury". It might help you process and move forwards.