Circuit break lockdown at half term?

[Midlifelights]

So I started a thread a couple of weeks ago about this and got accused of all sorts including being ‘one of those people that wants police on the streets who loves the drama & wrecked lives and other similar shite.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4041654-To-think-we-are-heading-for-a-full-2-week-national-half-term-lockdown

Now Kier Starmer is asking for it at the recommendation of SAGE so aibu to think we will get a 2 week national lockdown at half term?

As before, I don’t want another lockdown but it seems much more likely with everything that is going on?

Countries can and have shut their borders for months on end. NZ may not have a long term plan out of this, but at 25 deaths in total, I'd say their short/medium term plan has been pretty fucking good. Was allowing us all to go on holidays worth the extra 40k deaths? Genuine question, not trying to be goady.]

Exactly. NZ in a far far better position than us and probably they do have a long term plan. UK on the other hand has a ridiculous death rate, is heading for more. That will ruin the economy. A short lockdown and proper management of the situation could improve the economy over the next few months, because retail will really need that christmas lead up to be better

it's easy for Starmer to demand a lockdown. He doesn't have to take any responsibility for the financial and job fall out.
No doubt he'll also demand that everyone gets furlough on 90% pay

This is from the Daily Telegraph in November 2018. Anyone demanding a lockdown in 2025 or 2017?

The number of winter deaths last year the hit highest level in more than 40 years after the failure of last year’s flu jab

There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 - the highest recorded since winter 1975/76, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.

The number of excess winter deaths observed in 2017/18 was higher than all years since the 1975/76 winter period, when there were 58,100 extra deaths. The last peak was in 2014/15, when there were 43,850 excess deaths - which was the worst figure since the millennium

@puffinsseagulls

Countries can and have shut their borders for months on end. NZ may not have a long term plan out of this, but at 25 deaths in total, I'd say their short/medium term plan has been pretty fucking good. Was allowing us all to go on holidays worth the extra 40k deaths? Genuine question, not trying to be goady.]

Exactly. NZ in a far far better position than us and probably they do have a long term plan. UK on the other hand has a ridiculous death rate, is heading for more. That will ruin the economy. A short lockdown and proper management of the situation could improve the economy over the next few months, because retail will really need that christmas lead up to be better

We really cannot compare the UK to New Zealand. It's daft to try.

New Zealand is slightly larger than the UK and has a population of around 5 million, and it's population is far less diverse.
The UK has almost 66 million!!

UK has on average 1,010 people per square kilometre, and it's very unevenly distributed - 5,700 per square kilometre in London, 50 per square kilometre in most rural communities.
Whereas New Zealand has a very low population density, roughly 15 people per square kilometre! Much less density than we have in our least populated areas.

We simply cannot compare them. Social distancing is much, much simpler in New Zealand.

2015, not 2025!

@Harrysblondie and@Doyouknowwhat,

You may be happy to take Covid risk but are you happy to risk your child dying of appendicitis or other normally non life threatening conditions?

If hospitals were truly overwhelmed, they just would not function for anything.

We did not quite get there in March or April, but we were perilously close.

If we lock down, the hospitals will close to everything but covid. People will die from other things.
DS has several medical conditions that were worsened by lack of access to his specialists. I dont want that to happen again, and a lockdown or circuit break will mean that does. Again, I'd rather take.the chance that the hospital MIGHT become overwhelmed over the choice of definitely no medical care in a lockdown.

And hospitals in my area were nowhere near overwhelmed last time around
We are still relatively low numbers here at the moment too.

I might be wrong about this but I understood from the news coverage that only two individuals from SAGE had recommended a further lockdown. There are dozens of scientists in SAGE and they don’t all agree - it wasn’t an unanimous recommendation. In fact, other scientists from SAGE have condemned lockdowns as absolute lunacy - one of them said the lockdown was a terrible decision and must never happen again. So I don’t think it’s fair to say the government isn’t following SAGE’s advice.

[quote larrygrylls]@Harrysblondie and@Doyouknowwhat,

You may be happy to take Covid risk but are you happy to risk your child dying of appendicitis or other normally non life threatening conditions?

If hospitals were truly overwhelmed, they just would not function for anything.

We did not quite get there in March or April, but we were perilously close.[/quote]
I honestly can not financially afford to be handwringing about ‘what ifs’ right now.

I cannot lose my kids home of the extremely low ‘what if my kid got appendicitis’

Honestly I don’t think some people realise how close to the fucking wind financially people are sailing because of this. Maybe it’s because they can WFH, mortgage free, pensions or benefits that keeps the financially secure ..