To say that every one of us needs to watch last night’s Dispatches on Ch4.

[NellyJames]

Just finished watching this. I knew it was bad but not this grim. Eye opening even for me. I knew about the meat but not the fruit and veg. And apparently the trade deal will only benefit the UK economy by less than 1%!
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Here you go, here's some of the polling. Its Tory party members.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=conservative_members_june_2019_mindset

There was some other polling about children losing their livelihoods is better than being in the EU. I'll see if I can find it.

@valtandsinegar

Sorry if this is naive, but wouldn't politicians need to vote about removing country of origin from food? So those proposing the law would have to justify it in parliament?

Every opportunity MPs have had to protect current standards has been avoided. So I don't know why anyone would imagine there would suddenly be a vote in parliament that goes against that.

Also, from memory, Brexit Trade deals don't need parliamentary oversight. Which (again) was warned of when it happened but drowned out by the 52%.

Here you go, Leave voters willing for adult children to loss their livelihoods.

www.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-leave-voters-happy-for-relatives-to-lose-jobs-over-brexit-2017-8?r=US&IR=T

As I said, we are deluded if we think this will move a single Leave voter. Even if it did, it's too late now anyway. We'll all get what they voted for.

I'm going out to buy a cow and a pig of my own.

People who voted Brexit had no way of knowing that 4 years later there would still be no workable trade deal with the EU.

Other than the plethora of experts who predicted exactly that, you mean? Or the fact the European Union leaders said they wouldn’t just do what the U.K. wanted and they had to protect 27 other nations?

It was said loud and said often, but apparently they were just scaremongering, doom mongering, and people were ”sick of experts”

Yep, I remember pointing out to people before the referendum that I quite liked having EU standards for food production, pesticide use, environmental protection and beaches. Responses were hmm it’s difficult isn’t it, we need our sovereignty etc etc

I suspect a lot of older and wealthier Brexit voters thought that they would be able to pay their way out of negative consequences and will probably find it’s not as easy as they thought.

Jaxhog , David Cameron might be able to help you with that....

I suspect a lot of older and wealthier Brexit voters thought that they would be able to pay their way out of negative consequences and will probably find it’s not as easy as they though

There's also the demographic certainty that a number of Leave voters are no longer with us - not helped by the demographics of Covid. So Brexit is not dissimilar to carrying out some weird self harming clause in a relatives will. Only with no money in it for any of us.

Yes, I watched this last night, I too didn't realise it was as bad as that and I was really shocked. I have just been telling a family member to watch it too, we really can't go down that route, it's terrible…..

I can't understand why we don't use our farms and farmers, support them with subsidies if necessary, become self sufficient country with our own food. I would pay more for food grown and produced in the UK by UK farmers to really high standards....

Once our lords and masters bend over in every which possible way to pleasure their US counterparts, the supermarkets won't be able to boast about how British their produce is, unless they want to be sued to kingdom come. They'll change their tunes quick sharp hmm.

I think you underestimate the power of the corporate. If a corporate doesn't want to sell your goods, you cannot force them to. Free market, means just that. You buy what you want, from where you want. The government doesn't buy the food we eat, the supermarkets do.

Well this is all very depressing and not even slightly surprising, despite what some Brexiteers may disingenuously claim.

There is a petition to sign on food standards, organised by the NFU and promoted by (amongst others) Delia Smith and Jamie Oliver.

I can't understand why we don't use our farms and farmers, support them with subsidies if necessary

Because they aren't posh ?

become self sufficient country with our own food.

Go back over 200 years then ?

I would pay more for food grown and produced in the UK by UK farmers to really high standards....

That's a nice decision to make on behalf of people who are already going hungry - let alone know where the next meal is coming from.

There is a petition to sign on food standards, organised by the NFU and promoted by (amongst others) Delia Smith and Jamie Oliver.

Petition, schmetition. Will it get six million signatures ?

People forget - we have a government with an 80 majority that ain't going nowhere. If anyone thinks a stupid petition is going to shift their thinking, then they may want to browse eBay for bridges. I've just set up a few listings.

Covid is doing far more damage than brexit

@cyclingmad

Covid is doing far more damage than brexit

Well, quite. Only we didn't do Covid to ourselves.

’I can't understand why we don't use our farms and farmers, support them with subsidies if necessary’

We did. Then we left the EU.

2 points

1. With CAP funding for farmers coming to an end and cheap imports you better believe that many British farms will go out of business. There won't be an option of buying food quality local products.

1. In regards to labels telling you source of origin. This will make no difference because British farms are being bought by large American agricultural businesses right now. This will increase when British farmed are out out of business. You better believe that low standard won't just be imported, they'll be used here too.

I've never seen a government so deeply in it for themselves and their cronies. They have lied consistently about not allowing standards to be lowered put pushed ahead regardless.

I can't understand why we don't use our farms and farmers, support them with subsidies if necessary, become self sufficient country with our own food. I would pay more for food grown and produced in the UK by UK farmers to really high standards....

Britain can't become self sufficient. You need 1 acre of farmable land to support 1 person. Britain has approx 40 million acres of farmable land. So even if food is being produced at maximum capacity a third of the population would starve.

I’ll have to stick with buying from the local organic farm. I watch a couple of homestead American YouTubers and they’re are always going on about grass fed butter and beef and buying half a cow. Now I understand.
Does that mean we will lose the red tractor sticker?

I've never seen a government so deeply in it for themselves and their cronies.

Clearly you've never lived in some African or South American countries.

We lived in the US for three years a couple of years ago. I absolutely loved it for so many reasons, but the food was honest to god awful. Even cooking from scratch, the same meals that we cooked at home, nothing tasted right, or flavoursome. We actually lost weight in our final year because we all just lost the enthusiasm for eating. The one - ONE - decent meal I remember was in Eataly in Chicago where everything was imported from Europe.

@MissEWeatherwax

I’ll have to stick with buying from the local organic farm. I watch a couple of homestead American YouTubers and they’re are always going on about grass fed butter and beef and buying half a cow. Now I understand. Does that mean we will lose the red tractor sticker?

I doubt it. But I also doubt it will mean what people think it means in future.

I already buy British use the Co op or your local butcher.