WIBU to print an artist's work at home?

[zatarontoast]

Asking as I really don't know if this is appropriate or not. I follow an artist on Instagram who does oil paintings and I really wanted one so enquired about the price. At £500 for a small size it is way beyond my budget or what I could justify in spending. But... I still want one. She doesn't do prints, so I was thinking I could print one off at home for my own use. I don't know much about these things so don't know if this is considering stealing or is just a no-no in general? My rationale is that she isn't losing by me doing this as I wasn't going to buy it anyway.

It's ok.

Op is not going to print out a low quality copy on her home printer and put it in a little frame.

I am still baffled by this thread tbh.

But there we go.

I am still baffled by this thread tbh.

Same. But apparently if you copy a poem you like out of a book you are as good as a common thief depriving that poet of an income

Or if you ever taped a song off the radio in the 80s.

I love the PP who suggested that the police and courts would be interested in this!

Or if you have ever saved a pic you like on your phone (that was covered under the list someone linked).

I'm imagining these people tearing up a beloved little pic of a teddy bear in front of the child who adores it and keeps it under their pillow while berating then for being scum!

Really interesting and eye opening thread. You get fast fewer posts on threads about rape etc and with way more people saying weeellll I mean maybe he misunderstood you signals etc etc!

Bizarre.

[quote Piglet89]@Lockheart you are wrong.

First, the two examples you have given would be considered original works in their own right. Your mum owns the IP rights in the jungle book cake (sounds intricate, so probably a piece of art!) and the child owns the copyright in the card (also an artwork).

You don’t have to use the copy for commercial purposes. The way the legislation is drafted, there are certain exceptions to copyright (defined in the legislation as “permitted acts”) but your broad “non-commercial use” is not one of them. Check the legislation. Non-commercial RESEARCH and PRIVATE STUDY is, but that’s not what the OP is doing here.[/quote]
For someone who claims to be a lawyer, this is poorly worded...

Just because those examples may be original works (and therefore potentially protected by copyright) of art in their own right, does not automatically mean they aren't infringing (as your phrasing implies)?! Copyright can subsist in an infringing work!

if you copy a poem you like out of a book you are as good as a common thief depriving that poet of an income

So where do you draw the line?

I've exhibited at comic cons where I've sold my comic books and postcards. I write gag stuff. Jokes. I have often been at my table seen someone pic up one of my cards laugh at the joke on it... then take a fucking picture of it with their phone while I am sat there right in front of them. I sell the cards for 80p each. 80p is not outside of anyone's budget yet somehow these arse-holes think it's ok to copy my stuff AS I WATCH.

So I googled "deer in forest" and saved one of the resulting images as my desktop background. Did I break the law?

Sorry, but that's just rude. You don't need a print, you're not owed a print, so if you WANT a print, that someone else has worked on, you pay the price they advertise. If you don't want to, or if you feel it's overpriced, then that's fine .. but you just don't get one in that case.

So I googled "deer in forest" and saved one of the resulting images as my desktop background. Did I break the law?

Assuming the image wasn't covered by some creative commons usage permissions ( search.creativecommons.org/ )and you didn't ask, and get, the image owner's permission - then yes, I think you did.

Deer in forest copyright free;
www.publicdomainpictures.net/en/view-image.php?image=151759&picture=deer-in-the-forest

picography.co/deer-forest/

Linda I'm confused.

Artist in question doesn't offer a print of the picture.

TheSandman- what if they just remember the joke?

Agree photoing it in front of you is crass in the extreme.

I hope you give them what for when they do that.

I've printed pictures off the internet many times when my kids were younger. I remember using them for reward charts. I even printed some onto transfers and ironed them onto t-shirts.
And yes, I used to record the charts onto tape in the 80s.

I'll go turn myself in tomorrow.

When I use images for work, I always make sure I am using them with permission - either free or purchased.

"TheSandman- what if they just remember the joke?"

Great! I'd be seriously chuffed that I wrote something that actually added to the gaiety and joy of the world.

Can't regulate what's inside someone's head.

Yet.

Don't know if anyone has suggested it OP but could you possibly stretch to buying this piece through the Own Art scheme? You obviously like it but have misgivings about copying it, otherwise you wouldn't be asking if it was ok

@noimkarenim

oooh! I'd never heard of this before, thank you!

www.ownart.org.uk/

YANBU she will never know and you will have the art you want. Press print and enjoy.

[quote TheSandman]@noimkarenim

oooh! I'd never heard of this before, thank you!

www.ownart.org.uk/[/quote]
I was getting all excited then I saw that it needs a loan. Interest free but still loan

You're printing it for your own private use in your home? Not selling it or passing off as your own? Honestly, who cares? (A lot of people, clearly, but... eh.)

It won't be the same quality as a professionally produced print, but if you'll enjoy looking at it, It's not that much different than pulling up the listing photo on your phone or laptop and looking at it every day.

I had a similar situation zatarontoast.

I wanted to use a particular image from an oil painting on my Dad’s order of service so I emailed the artist and asked permission.

Later I bought a print from them.

Perhaps if you tell the artist why it means so much to you and ask if they are considering any more affordable reproduction you might end up with something reasonably priced and of far better quality than anything you could do.

It’s also possible they could sell you a catalogue from an exhibition with nice quality reproductions.

Win-win?