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To think formula is an amazing invention?

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IsoBordem · 02/10/2020 06:28

As I was sitting and feeding my beautiful healthy, happy, and thriving baby I was suddenly so thankful for the existence of baby formula. It gets such a bad rap by some people but I would hate to think where she would be now if formula did not exist.

Seeing her in the hospital because she lost too much weight in her first week was heartbreaking. I will always be grateful that we live in an age where baby formula is available!

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squeekums · 04/10/2020 04:22

@shesgonebatshitagain
The act of breastfeeding actually releases oxytocin, so I’m not sure what you mean by you got to bond because you were bottle feeding instead of breast feeding
I mean I didn't feel like a cow, I HATED how bf felt. Trying, well being forced to try by midwives made me feel inhuman and belittled I didn't resent dd with ff so I got to bond, how is that hard to understand.
I wanted my body back, I wanted to feel me again.

There has been research into breastfeeding and women’s postpartum mental health
Some women, I wasn't one of them. Mine improved dramatically FF and getting home from hospital.

My experience and how bf made me feel is valid. Unlike you want to imply, I'm talking about me, not in general, not to put other women down. Good try love.
My feeding experience is not yours, just cos bf was all happy feels for you, don't mean it will or has to be for every woman. Studies don't change the fact it made me feel like shit. Pushing on a few days was never going to be worth it to me.

Nobody is saying formula feeding mothers don’t bond with their baby but to say holding a bottle is the same as a baby sucking at a Nipple to trigger let down and a release of oxytocin into the mother’s bloodstream - and to say this when they themselves have never actually breastfed - is curious
How bout when that sucking on the nipple feels disgusting and wrong? There no bonding happening at that point, it's resentment.
I didn't try by choice, I had midwives waltz in, pull down my top, shove dd on and go let's try bf. No hey did you want to try, no do you mind if.

Android18 · 04/10/2020 06:39

Not a godsend for me If I had FF my DD she would have died. Luckily I didn't.

MarthaWashingtonsFeralTomcat · 04/10/2020 09:09

How bout when that sucking on the nipple feels disgusting and wrong? There no bonding happening at that point, it's resentment.

It sounds like you made a choice you were happy with, and that formula-feeding worked out well for your family.

There can be psychological reasons to dislike breastfeeding, there can also be physiological reasons such as dysphoric milk ejection reflex (often manifests as anger or disgust, but can sometimes be nausea like morning sickness) as well as agitation and aversion. If a mum wants to continue to breastfeed - I know not everyone does, and that's a valid choice too, and thanks to formula there really is a choice - there are often coping strategies that can be worked through, and it does improve after a few months for most women.

It sounds very hard work and like it certainly would affect bonding if it carried on in the long term.

This isn't to pass judgement on individual's choices, but to inform those reading who might go through this or be worried they might go through this. This is why good quality (hands-off, evidence-based, mother-centred) feeding support is so important. I found that breastfeeding peer supporters were the only ones who told me about paced bottle feeding, for example.

Parker231 · 04/10/2020 09:19

There needs to be a change in attitude by hospitals and midwifes that when a pregnant or new mother says she is using formula that this is marked on her notes and that after the birth support is given for formula feeding rather than trying to push breast feeding.

SnuggyBuggy · 04/10/2020 09:36

I agree, I'm very pro breastfeeding but not convinced the pushy approach. Surely it's better to focus on supporting the women who actually want to breastfeed rather than pestering those that don't. Formula is here to stay for now and people who use it need to be taught how to use it safely and effectively.

Parker231 · 04/10/2020 09:43

It’s not just the support on using formula safely but respecting an individual’s decision to use formula without any criticism.

Twizbe · 04/10/2020 10:08

I think the problem is that there just isn't enough info to prepare mothers for either choice.

What they really need is a one pager with the pros and cons of both and that debunks some of the myths. It needs to have info on normal newborn behaviour like cluster feeding and a timeline for milk feeding throughout the year. It can be hard to not think that newborn cluster feeding will last forever.

Nearly every time I see a woman post a problem with breastfeeding she is told to stop and that formula will solve the issue. While formula is great it doesn't solve every issue with baby / breastfeeding and can cause different problems.

The pressure to stop breastfeeding isn't often talked about on here. I once knew someone who was told that she would turn her daughter into a lesbian by continuing to breastfeed past 6 months!

At the end of the day though we've all made the wrong feeding choice according to someone.

SnuggyBuggy · 04/10/2020 10:13

A mythbusting campaign about both feeding methods that wasn't just aimed at mum but at the wider family would be good. I think some breastfeeding activists almost have this idea that we can wish formula away by not talking about it, this isn't reasonable or realistic

DressingGownofDoom · 04/10/2020 10:17

@SnuggyBuggy

A mythbusting campaign about both feeding methods that wasn't just aimed at mum but at the wider family would be good. I think some breastfeeding activists almost have this idea that we can wish formula away by not talking about it, this isn't reasonable or realistic
Yes and by pretending to expectant mothers than breastfeeding is a really easy choice and it'll all be wonderful. Be honest that it might be really tricky to get the hang of and people might stick with it.
Nsky · 04/10/2020 10:17

Of course, tho the bf mob can be awful, I think that pressure is un needed

Twizbe · 04/10/2020 10:18

@SnuggyBuggy

A mythbusting campaign about both feeding methods that wasn't just aimed at mum but at the wider family would be good. I think some breastfeeding activists almost have this idea that we can wish formula away by not talking about it, this isn't reasonable or realistic
Definitely! It won't happen though as the formula companies rely on some of those myths still circulating. Formula fed babies sleep longer, if baby cries lots it need comfort formula, not doing a poo, give it colic and constipation formula, over 6 months, it NEEDS follow on milk .... and so on.

It wasn't that long ago that marketing slogans like 'feed your baby with science' we're all around. That marketing takes a while to leave peoples' minds.

I think a lot of people forget that formula companies don't make it out of the goodness of their hearts to save starving babies.

Parker231 · 04/10/2020 10:23

Hospitals (in the main) provide support to new bf mothers but don’t help those using formula. This is so wrong. There should be equal support.

june2007 · 04/10/2020 10:49

Twitzbe your so right and so many peope buy into it. there should be support fro both. As a mother with children in scbu I wanted to express. Not much time spent showing me how to do it, second time round I used the last attachment for the machines meaning next mum had no option to use the machine. But hey just give a bottle right? Or tube feed. Never mind cup feed the nurses din,t know about that. Never mind breast feeding suplementers they don,t know about that. It came quite clear who understood about feeding and who didn,t. With my first the formula advice I got was wrong as well.

DidoLamenting · 04/10/2020 13:42

The act of breastfeeding actually releases oxytocin, so I’m not sure what you mean by you got to bond because you were bottle feeding instead of breast feeding

In order to say you must have limited imagination, empathy and ability to read what others have posted.

At the end of 3 months of misery, including feeling sick due to oxytocin I can assure you that I started re- bonding with my son. I was starting to resent him which was one of the several reasons I gave up bf.

Parker231 · 04/10/2020 15:29

There are lots of ways to bond with your baby. All relate to bf and ff - Holding your baby skin-to-skin, eye contact, talking to your baby and lots of cuddles.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/10/2020 15:31

Yes, formula is amazing it’s safe,accessible replacement for breast milk

saynotodietcoke · 04/10/2020 21:28

I always get upset when I see these posts, we should be able to feed either way without being judged. Bf mothers always say that ff is the norm so there can't be judgement yet ff mums state they have been subjected to comments and judgement so unless every single one who says that is lying, it's clear that people ARE policing and judging formula feeding.

FWIW I've done both. Hated breastfeeding with a passion and resented my daughter as a result. Societal pressures and breast is best brigade meant I forced myself through it, I adopted 'coping strategies' as someone suggested upstream. I very nearly killed myself because I was so exhausted and miserable and hated my life and to an extent my daughter. I dreaded her being awake. I would pray she wouldn't want feeding. It was a miserable existence made worse by the fact that everyone kept telling me I should be enjoying the 'cuddles on the couch' and the hormones must be doing wonders. No, they weren't. There was no joy or bond or 'cosy box set snuggles' just pain with my letdown and constant tingling in my armpits and my nipples felt like knives were dancing on them 24/7 and I would cry through every feed. She was formula fed when I was hospitalised at 4 months

With my second I tried again. I hated it but again felt like a crap mother for contemplating formula. Again it was awful. This time though I got a perfect prep and formula and just did it. I continued to bf when I wanted to and did bottles most of the time. It was much much nicer. He's now eff and I love it. I love him, I love co sleeping and I enjoy being around him in a way I didn't with my daughter and I'm devastated I made myself bf her for so long.

I had all the support, the groups and family and private lactation consultant. Made no difference, I just absolutely hated it

Parker231 · 05/10/2020 07:39

@saynotodietcoke - that sounds horrendous. I hope you and your family are all ok now.

saynotodietcoke · 05/10/2020 10:22

@Parker231 I'm in a much better place now thank you x I just regret how much I put myself and my family through for no reason

shesgonebatshitagain · 05/10/2020 15:20

@DidoLamenting

The act of breastfeeding actually releases oxytocin, so I’m not sure what you mean by you got to bond because you were bottle feeding instead of breast feeding

In order to say you must have limited imagination, empathy and ability to read what others have posted.

At the end of 3 months of misery, including feeling sick due to oxytocin I can assure you that I started re- bonding with my son. I was starting to resent him which was one of the several reasons I gave up bf.

I see you have selected a specific part of one my statements as if to suggest my incredulity or sarcasm. It was neither. It was a statement referring to the biological process of the release of oxytocin when breastfeeding as well as prolactin. I was saying that given breastfeeding has been shown to release what is colloquially termed as a bonding hormone, how could someone say breastfeeding didn’t assist with bonding.

That is a bald statement and wasn’t drilling down into individuals’ tales of hating breastfeeding and saying that they “didn’t have any oxytocin” or other such statements. If it doesn’t fit with yours or other peoples experiences on this thread then take it up with scientists and researchers not me. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Then you described me as having “Limited empathy, imagination and ability to read”

I have stated several times I have formula fed.

Still at least I haven’t been accused by you of having an overactive imagination. You could save that for the poster who decided that despite never breastfeeding once in her entire life she felt confident in shrugging off other’s actual breastfeeding experiences. We will just gloss over that shall we?

shesgonebatshitagain · 05/10/2020 15:51

The OP asked a rhetorical question in AIBU as I see it.

I wasn’t even the person who brought breastfeeding into the debate someone else did and I didn’t like the way their eligibility to comment was questioned by one poster. Formula obviously in the western world where appropriate facilities and clean water exist is clearly a marvellous product to have. It is a very political issue in some parts of the world where it absolutely not always viewed as wonderful when helping women breastfeed and care for them would actually save more babies lives.

It’s not just about what is happening in the western world however not once have I said formula is dreadful. I questioned its price and the ethics of its use in developing countries. That was it.

The vast majority of women as @Sandcastles55 has rightly pointed out have no issue with supply and they can breastfeed.

I am not talking about women who have never wanted to breastfeed. That is entirely their choice and nobody else’s business. Equally millions of women try breastfeeding and decide it isn’t for them. Again entirely their choice.

What makes breastfeeding such a traumatic and difficult experience for women such as those who’ve shared here and many many more are normally down to factors beyond their control and nothing to with ability.

Factors such as

  • a difficult labour or medication used which affects milk supply coming in
  • poor latch issues caused by tongue ties either anterior or posterior
⁃ baby being unable to feed for physiological reasons
  • inadequate and insufficient proper help for new mothers to establish breastfeeding. The services in and out of hospital are just not enough.
  • patchy community services and midwife or HV expertise
  • pressure on services to just tick boxes and not really help hence why breastfeeding groups and lactation consultants have increased
  • other factors such as personal circumstances, existing illness, social, familial and other pressures.

If most factors such as those above were less prevalent and women had more proper help as well as had their expectations realistically managed around initial pain, cluster feeding, latching etc then there would be more women breastfeeding.

There also needs to be far more work done around supporting many women’s complex mental health needs after having had a baby. I am amazed how we are so often shunted our after really traumatic experiences or major surgery and no time to see how a baby is feeding with breast or formula milk etc. My mother often tells me about when you were kept in hospital for a good few days to make sure mother and baby were ok. I was out twelve hours of having all three of mine. Back in hospital the day or days after with two of them with things that should have been picked up on but there was no time or capacity.

Although I said I find breastfeeding a magical experience - which I do - I am not naive that this is not the case for many women and indeed there were times when it was not for me either. I responded with the use of that word which has irked a number of you because I felt compelled to respond to the comments about feeling like a cow and a milk bars. I also believe this sort of trickle down negativity about something as important as breastfeeding is not only denigrating to women that do breastfeed but also likely to put expectant mothers off it completely. No wonder breastfeeding women are still told to go to toilets to feed their babies despite this being illegal. And you think the attitude to formula feeding is wrong. And yet you are allowed to describe the wonderful feeling you got from bottle feeding but not a breastfeeding woman?

Some people on this post have been offended by facts I have pointed out such as how breastfeeding does release oxytocin. Some people are offended by my saying to one poster because they’ve never breastfed they can’t make statement about how it feels because that actually require physical experience of it. That is just crazy. Some people are offended by my saying that it was the act of stopping breastfeeding and switching to a bottle that allowed you a new perspective and a new opportunity to enjoy time with your baby rather than the actual bottle itself. How these are offensive to anyone however they feed a child is something I am struggling to understand. None of that it is controversial or nonsensical. Well the person who knew how breastfeeding feels despite never having done it is a bit Confused but .......

I have said I used formula and bottles
I have also stated it would be ridiculous for me to suggest you don’t bond with you if you formula feed or that I am a better mother for also breastfeeding.

Yet all of those points have been missed and it seems to me that the PP who said people are offended by whatever choice they didn’t or couldn’t make and proceed accordingly is right.

CayrolBaaaskin · 05/10/2020 16:10

@shesgonebatshitagain - that’s nice that you had a good experience breastfeeding but many women do not. You have no more right to denigrate or ignore our experiences that we do with yours. Breastfeeding is not worthier- it works well for some women, not at all for others. It’s not for you or @Sandcastles55 to invalidate our experiences and say that the “ vast majority of women can breastfeed”.

Some women can’t or don’t want to (whether because they find it difficult or not) breastfeed. Some women don’t like breastfeeding. That’s our choice which is a completely valid one.

DidoLamenting · 05/10/2020 16:12

I was saying that given breastfeeding has been shown to release what is colloquially termed as a bonding hormone, how could someone say breastfeeding didn’t assist with bonding

I'm astonished by your lengthy reply which is supposed to defend what you wrote when it simply compounds your ignorance.

DidoLamenting · 05/10/2020 16:18

Yet all of those points have been missed and it seems to me that the PP who said people are offended by whatever choice they didn’t or couldn’t make and proceed accordingly is right

Well you would know all about being offended You are the poster who said she was personally insulted by other posters saying breastfeeding made them feel like milk cows. How dare they talk about their personal experience without thinking of your feelings.

CayrolBaaaskin · 05/10/2020 16:18

@Parker231 - agreed. Also they won’t give you formula in an NHS hospital even if you can’t or won’t breastfeed.