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To wonder what’s happened to my relationship with DM.

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Chuggington2 · 30/09/2020 14:15

Sorry it's long!

I need some help unpicking this, I don’t understand and I have suspicion the behaviour/relationship breakdown probably has a name but I can’t find anything that sounds sensible and consequently feel at a dead end with trying to understand or solve it.

Background – come from a nice family. Always very close to both DM and DF growing up and despite me being a typical teenager that continued. Up until several years ago DM and I socialised together and had some amazing mini breaks just the two of us over the years.

Fast f to 2016 and started IVF and several years of TTC and losses.

DM became what can only be described as very possessive around it. For those who aren’t familiar when you are in throes you have about 2-4 wks. where you’re back and forth for scans/blood tests every couple of days, these for me were all v earl pre wk. and as you can imagine v stressful. DM got very demanding that she be updated on everyone. I would get a text the night before along lines ‘what time tomorrow? Make sure you call me as soon as you get out’ I duly did this but soon started to feel even worse after speaking and realised all she was doing was extracting the info, she gave me no comfort and if I voiced I was worried after a scan I got the whole stop being negative and bringing her down, ‘well I’m staying positive spiel’ Sometimes the appointments over ran and I’d been in talking to the consultant with my phone vibrating in my bag as she’d decided she’d waited long enough. This happened through two cycles and started to make me v anxious.

DH stepped in a just had a gentle word. The next time we saw her was at a family meal where she brought up what DH had said got very tearful and said all she needed know was that I was ok. Well obviously, but there are ways and means, she didn’t seem to want to know or care that how she was going about it was incredibly stressful for me at a time when I shouldn’t be having undue stress.

This continued in various forms to the point where when I did the frozen transfer that brought me my wonderful DC, I didn’t tell her or anyone for that matter that I was doing it. And for the first 8 wks., I felt terrible but knew it’s what I needed to do.

Throughout the pg she was sometimes very stand offish, I was very sick and exhausted for the first 18 wks. but she was not how I expected her to be. I assumed that I was (maybe rightly) being punished for not telling her.

After this I will bullet point some of the standout things which have happened/keep happening.

Around 16 weeks told me she’d spoken to my God Mother who’d ask after me, DM said she didn’t know ‘well I didn’t know what to tell her as I’ve not seen you’ this was patently untrue. DH was working away for much of that period and I went round for dinner at least 5 times that I can remember in quick succession. Much more than I would normally do. She then said ‘you don’t need to do this all on your own’ I literally had no idea what she was on about still do not. I spent most of my time asleep or trying not fall asleep or be sick?!?

I had a v difficult birth, lost a lot blood, nearly had to have a hysterectomy, was in theatre for over 2 hrs. Ended up on Mat HDU for 48hrs. In hosp for a wk. DM did not ask how I was feeling/doing for 10 days all I got were texts demanding pics of DC.

On 3rd day in hosp they came to visit again in the eve. I was struggling to get food as I'm GF so DH asked them to stop at Marks (it’s on way), apparently it was v busy took them ages (we weren’t to have known) and they were both clearly cross with us for having asked, she practically threw the sandwich down at me when they arrived. And made me feel like an inconvenience.

After the above they aid they were going to leave us to it whilst in hosp and come visit with my DBs when I was home. Ok but just someone to come and sit with me, relieve DH, bring me a hot drink at least one day would have been nice.

Whilst I was still poorly in hospital, she arranged a head wetting party and invited in-laws and my godparents – very expensive champagne and food. Did not invite DH or even take him round some of the food. Sent us pictures telling us what a great eve it was. That night I’d been crying and sweating struggling to feed DC on my own and hadn’t eaten or drank for hrs. In laws were mortified and had been under impression it was just supper.

The day DH went back to work after pat leave, he asked DM if she would come round and just look after us. I suggested we could take DC to local caf and have lunch. Ended up having a disastrous morn (puke/crap/repeat). DM arrived, 1stly asked why I wasn’t dressed, then gave me a bollocking about not loading dishwasher. I felt so ashamed I spent half an hr trying to load it 3 wks. aft a section. There was then no time for lunch. DM said tartly said ‘well I thought that was a long shot I’ve brought mine’ produced an M&S meal deal from her bag complete with cake and proceeded to eat in front of me. She never even offered to make me a drink let alone phone ahead to see if we needed any food picking up.

Never once offered to do anything, brought me anything round, make me a drink etc. in that post-partum recovery period.

Any time I said I ‘d had a bad day with DH or tried to tell her how I was feeling she would shut me down and would just say airily ‘well you wouldn’t have it any other way though would you’ and proceed to tell me her news. It became her stock phrase.

Totally misunderstood arrangements for her to come round one afternoon when DC was about 5 months old. Turned up when I was out. I didn’t have my phone on as I was at baby yoga. Came out to furious messages demanding to know where I was, she came round later, I was feeding a sleepy DC and she proceeded to stand there raging at me for not having my phone etc. when I asked her not to speak like that and pointed out her mistake she started crying and said how I was being horrible (?!). I’ve never been so bemused; I was sat breastfeeding my child and she gotten completely the wrong end of the stick re timings.

Speaks to me like I’m 19, and was so rude to me at a family party when DC was a few months old. All women and all mothers chatting but she kept trying to exclude me from the conversation and belittle me and de-value what I was saying, everyone chatting noticed, it was awkward and embarrassing.

Constantly nit-picks, why am I not dressed, why is my car a mess (I have a toddler and a job), why is my house a mess, why am I late, why have I not weeded the garden etc. etc. some of the things are so pathetic and petty. She will also then turn to DC, tut and saying ‘what is your Mum like’

DPs provide a day and half of childcare for me (they offered) recently told me they’re going on hols to Spain next week. (less than 3 weeks notice when they told me) and will obviously have to isolate so won’t be available for 3 wks. No sorry. I was obviously upset and panicked about it, what I’m supposed to do at short notice, I can’t take hols as in the middle of a massive project and it's over half term so others have already booked it off. Got told to stop making them feel bad and that I was being selfish.

These are just snapshots to give the fullest picture without going on even more. There’s many examples but they are along the same lines.
I cannot fathom why things have gone so wrong, I think back to the lovely things we used to do and it’s like they’re different people. I couldn’t imagine going for a coffee with my Mum now let alone for a girl’s weekend in New York or wherever.

OP posts:
Sunnydaysstillhere · 30/09/2020 14:19

Imo you relationship shifted when she was no longer your priority...
Short and sweet... Back way op. She sounds awful.

otterbaby · 30/09/2020 14:22

It sounds like typical narcissism - like sunny said, she didn't like you having something more important to focus on. She sounds horrible, I'm sorry you've had to go through all of that.

Insaneinthemembury · 30/09/2020 14:23

She sounds like a narcissist. It all has to be about her. I'm sorry Op she sounds awful and doing more harm than good.
Distance yourself and don't use her for child care, for your mental health. ❤
She sounds toxic and I wouldnt want her rubbing off on my children. They should respect their mother and they won't if theyre around her for too long.
Hugs to you, I have one of these and it's bloody awful.

Keeva2017 · 30/09/2020 14:31

I know you say she has changed but is it possible there are signs you have missed in the past that suggests she has always been self absorbed? I agree with the pp she sounds narcissistic and maybe you becoming a mother has triggered her behaviour towards you to change but deep down she has always been this way.

How is your relationship with your father and out of interest what does you dh think?

Chantelli · 30/09/2020 14:36

I could almost have written your post. The change for me was when my first child was born - she has been particularly unpleasant ever since, lying about me etc, belittling but also defensive and aggressive.

She is absolutely narcissistic and I have always put her first until kids. Then the repercussions.

So sorry your mum is like this. It's hard I know. Look up daughters of narcissists it has helped me over the years Flowers

LoftyLucy · 30/09/2020 14:37

Two things are going on here.

POINT 1:
You describe your relationship as "good" before, yet some of her (frankly ridiculous) expectations suggest that was a complete falsehood. A lot of what you describe "before" is basically not that good - is the test of a good mother/daughter bond enjoying a holiday together? I don't think you are accurately viewing your pre-baby relationship with her at all. It's like saying a guy you met and dated on holiday is a good catch - you don't really know him at all, it's when you're both in a good/not stressed "real life" situation. I suspect either your understanding of what a good bond is, is wrong.. or you're simply viewing it with rose-tinted glasses a bit. She sounds like she's always been this bad, but you've never really had to put the relationship to the test (i.e. second best to your own DH/children). Which leads me onto the second point:

POINT 2:
It's interesting that you're only realising how fucking awful she is (i'm sorry, but she is) now that you're not ABLE to choose to put her first. And it sucks that now you are unable to place her needs first to keep the inaccurate images of your bond in your head (see point 1), she's not stepped up. In fact it sounds like she's got worse. And isn't going to get any better, because her DD having her own child hasn't forced that lightbulb moment in your mum until now... what will? Likely nothing.

WorrierorWarrior · 30/09/2020 14:38

It looks different to me. The DM was very concerned about you as you went through all the tests etc. She was told by your DH that she should back off. She may have taken this a bit further than your DH meant as she then showed very little interest in you and your treatment and birth. She had people to her house. No-one should really tell anyone who they can or can not invite to their own house, but then you object that she had your godparents and the in-laws over to her house.
Personally I would not be arranging a holiday at this time because of the covid situation but some do and your DM has chosen to have a holiday. To go on holiday means that she/they will have to self isolate. Presumably DM knows this. You have now objected to her holiday as it inconveniences your baby minding and work schedule. You have been lucky that DM has done babysitting after she was told to back off. Just because any DM/Grandparents agree t looking after children this should not mean that they are not entitled to have holidays or day trips or whatever else they might want to do. It is just extra difficult just now with covid and self isolating.
I think the OP and the PP responses show a very entitled attitude.

Magicbabywaves · 30/09/2020 14:41

Agree with above. Think about it, would you behave like that to your child? No of course not. Distance yourself.

Magicbabywaves · 30/09/2020 14:42

No that above. Disagree with warrior.

chatterbugmegastar · 30/09/2020 14:42

Imo you relationship shifted when she was no longer your priority...

This ^

LoftyLucy · 30/09/2020 14:45

WorrierorWarrior I don't think you're reading the same OP as me.

What the OP describes isn't e.g. a daughter who wants to curtail her mum's freedom by saying she can't go on holiday.

What I see is a modus operandi where the OP's mum does, says, and acts in a way that means she doesn't care and/or understand the impact on her daughter.

I mean, who offers to look after children while the parents work then gives them 3 weeks notice of being unable to do that?

The op's mum doesn't see the OP as a real person, an adult with thoughts/feelings independant of her own. She has shown time and time again that she doesn't understand the impact of how she acts on the op, it's very far off a loving healthy bond that any normal person would admire.

Martinisarebetterdirty · 30/09/2020 14:45

Op you need to stop relying on her for childcare - she is not reliable. I’m so sorry for the loss of your relationship Flowers how you have not told her to stop being a fucking bitch is beyond me. Take a big step back and stop being available to her - she is no longer your support system

HEYAhhhhhhhhh · 30/09/2020 14:49

Your mother has narcissistic traits. She's better off out of your life.

Insaneinthemembury · 30/09/2020 14:50

I don't think warrior read the Op.
If anyone is Entitled, it's the woman constantly putting her needs first and ignoring her daughter's needs.
Why make your daughter feel bad, when she's very poorly, because you asked for a sandwich?
Should the nit picking and jibes be tolerated warrior?

WorrierorWarrior · 30/09/2020 15:05

Paragraph 5 "DH stepped in and had a gentle word" I read that as the DH told the DM not to ask about everything and fuss so much. Meaning that DM was to step back.
If the DM was such a bad person why is she babysitting the child? Are OP and her DH paying for the child care or is it just family helping out where they can?
DM and husband would appear to be retired if they have time to baby sit during working hours. As retired people they dont have to stick to school holidays so can holiday any time. If they were not baby sitting they could take off on a break at a moment's notice but they have given 3 weeks notice because they are baby sitting.
As mothers the concern for our children never really changes. I once sat with a very elderly lady who was greatly concerned about her child (a pensioner!) who had a serious operation going on. It was quite startling to think that even in extreme old age this lady was frantic with worry about her child in younger old age. The mum was likely worried about her daughter going through so much.
Mums of Mumsnetters always seem to get such a hard time on here. One day we might all be mothers of Mumsnetters

Zaphodsotherhead · 30/09/2020 15:09

I agree that it's because she is no longer First In Your Life. She was displaced as soon as you started ttc.

And she's using the holiday to show that she can control you at any time she chooses, simply by withdrawing childcare.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 30/09/2020 15:09

She is a bad parent, a bad person all around, and I really feel for you OP. I am not sure such a negative, devaluating influence should be near your child too much. You may have to change your childcare to avoid depending on her and risking her manipulating your child.

Good luck!

OfaFrenchmind2 · 30/09/2020 15:13

@WorrierorWarrior

Paragraph 5 "DH stepped in and had a gentle word" I read that as the DH told the DM not to ask about everything and fuss so much. Meaning that DM was to step back. If the DM was such a bad person why is she babysitting the child? Are OP and her DH paying for the child care or is it just family helping out where they can? DM and husband would appear to be retired if they have time to baby sit during working hours. As retired people they dont have to stick to school holidays so can holiday any time. If they were not baby sitting they could take off on a break at a moment's notice but they have given 3 weeks notice because they are baby sitting. As mothers the concern for our children never really changes. I once sat with a very elderly lady who was greatly concerned about her child (a pensioner!) who had a serious operation going on. It was quite startling to think that even in extreme old age this lady was frantic with worry about her child in younger old age. The mum was likely worried about her daughter going through so much. Mums of Mumsnetters always seem to get such a hard time on here. One day we might all be mothers of Mumsnetters
Not all mothers are good mothers. Some are conniving, manipulative, dismissive and self centered. Op's mum is obviously at least one of those, as described in her well documented first post. I find it strange that you chose to ignore all the shitty things that the mum did and focused on the holiday taking (fair enough on the mother). Does it feel uncomfortable reading that?
SpaceOP · 30/09/2020 15:16

yup, narcissist traits. quite extreme. I suspect your memories of pre-baby time is a bit flawed. On those holidays, was it all bout her and how she was having a wonderful holiday with her daughter blah blah blah?

I can totally see her being massively worried about you during IVF etc. But any person who had even a scintilla of understanding and empathy for their daughter would understand that being hounded is not appropriate. My mother had some narcissist traits but luckily nowhere near as extreme as yours but the hysterical calls really resonate - after texting me, then leaving 3 messages on my mobile and office work phone, she called both my siblings to say she was really upset and worried because I hadn't contacted her when she'd been in touch to tell me her dog had died and she'd tried repeatedly and I was mean etc etc and she was upset. They both then left irate voicemails for me complaining that I was being insensitive to mum....

---- this all took place over 45 minutes while I was in a meeting.

serialreturner · 30/09/2020 15:17

Yet again I am shaking my head in disbelief (I do believe you, btw).

This is why I was terrified of having a daughter. I was really scared I'd repeat my DM's behaviour.

Lot of counselling to unpick it and to see who she really was at heart. She did love us but didn't know how to parent, having been through something similar herself.

Back off, bright and breezy - see her when you absolutely have to. When you're feeling weak, remember this post and the replies (bar one).

Maybe stick it into a word doc and then you can refer to it?

Good luck OP. It's no picnic. x

thebear1 · 30/09/2020 15:19

I do wonder what your DM would post about the relationship. It sounds like she has been concerned about you before, but when you have felt the need to challenge her behaviour she has become upset and not handled the criticism well. Have you always done what she wanted before? It sounds like she doesn't know how to support you since there was conflict.

serialreturner · 30/09/2020 15:19

@OfaFrenchmind2 I saw the holiday/ dropping them totally in the shit as being the last straw. But I 100% disagree with @WorrierorWarrior as per my PP.

dottiedodah · 30/09/2020 15:33

I think it is often difficult as others have said here for Mothers to "let go " fully of their adult DC .You had a good bond with her when it was just the two of you going on holiday and so on together .Did she get on well with your DH at first ? She sounds somewhat narcisstic as well .When babies arrive ,the entire family gets a shake up and she may feel misplaced, as you have other priorities now .It seems a shame but now you have got your own family she is possibly a little jealous of you? As far as her holiday is concerned ,then I think maybe to get another form of childcare if you can .Often older people forget how much work goes into raising a young child especially when you are working too.What about your Dad?Are you close to him or does he "follow" Mum for a quiet life! I think if you want to get back with her then maybe arrange a coffee and say to her you are doing your best ,and feel she sometimes seems disappointed in you .Say that you would like to start again if possible and see her reaction .Obv if no good then go low contact if you feel thats the only option .You know you will have tried then!

Coyoacan · 30/09/2020 15:34

WorrierorWarrior I'm a grandmother myself and lazy one to boot, but this mother's behaviour is indefensible. The holiday is just the icing on the cake.

I am fortunately unfamiliar with that type of behaviour, OP, but I think your life will be easier the less you see of your mother.

WorrierorWarrior · 30/09/2020 15:36

Not all mothers are good mothers. Some are conniving, manipulative, dismissive and self centered. Op's mum is obviously at least one of those, as described in her well documented first post. I find it strange that you chose to ignore all the shitty things that the mum did and focused on the holiday taking (fair enough on the mother). Does it feel uncomfortable reading that?
@OfaFrenchmind2
I dont think I focused on the holiday part of the issue. I mentioned the DH having a word. I said maybe DM backed off too much. I would not question who my DM (or any other relative) had visiting their house. It would have been better if the DM had helped more after the birth but then she was told previously to back off.
As much as you see it that the DM is controlling in the decision about the holiday I think the OP is using the DM of whom she is critical as a babysitter and trying to expect DM to always be available to suit her working situation.
Perhaps this is something on which we have to agree to disagree. There is never just one side to any situation. I do agree though that DM should not be the babysitter.